David13

This is the second time today I saw a reference to askgramps. I had known about them, but didn't read, til now. I think they are helpful. I think the original question was when do you "feel" clean, and perhaps also feel forgiven. The hardest part is forgiving yourself. I think we look for that feeling of release that we get when we forgive someone else. It doesn't necessarily feel good, but it not longer feels bad, when we truly forgive someone else. But the most helpful I think is, when the change of heart comes. Then we feel forgiven and clean. The change of heart can only come some time after we have followed all the steps toward forgiveness. dc

Well, it certainly does in this case if your agenda is that racism is wrong. dc

No, affirmative action is racism. Racism is a bad thing, not a good thing. Let's get our agenda straight here. dc

A lot of it has to do with technique. When the cop asks you to get your license, in any case, black or white, you should say to the cop, calmly, well, my license is in there on the seat (in the glove box) I'll have to dig around in there to get it. Then let the cop say ok, or let him get it. Particularly if you can tell the cop is antsy or agitated. Instead of just doing it, tell them what you are going to do. Then let them approve or not. dc

There was a case down in Florida a year or two ago. A ccw holder got out of his truck and the cop who had stopped him went absolutely beserk and shot him. Just from seeing the gun on his hip. There was a great outcry from the ccw holders about how job incompetent the officer was. Of all the people in the world who should not "freak out" when they see a gun, it's a cop. Just about everybody agreed the cop needs to get into some other field of employment. The same is clearly true of I think it's the Minnesota case. After killing the driver the cop is still screaming like a banshee andwaving his gun around like a lunatic, with his finger on the trigger, pointing it at the girlfriend and the child. Pure insanity and job gross negligence, far beyond incompetence. If you don't think we believe 2nd Amendment rights apply to all then you need to find out who Colin Noir is. dc

I wouldn't say "cool" as I don't use that word. As to Greg Trimble's 5 I would say those would be extremely shallow reasons to leave the church. As to Gramps, it looks like there are some well reasoned (and agreeable to me) answers there. Thanks for both. dc

Emilyloo I have been a divorce attorney for the last 38 years. I never advised anyone to get a divorce and I wouldn't so advise you, either. But there has been some good advice given here. (And some off topic flak which is best ignored) But I can tell you that many times filing for divorce caused a spouse to take actual notice of a problem, when they had not previously done so. And I had quite a few after the divorce was final, and the dust settled, got back together, having finally realized that it was their best opportunity. Sometimes it takes something to wake a spouse up, either an emotional outburst or some divorce papers. dc

I can certainly sympathize with your experience, Anatess. And I agree, it's on topic. It's unfortunate that anyone would give you flak about it. dc

And you don't consider that bullying? And completely off topic? You need to take off your rose colored glasses. dc

None of those cases have anything to do with the second amendment. They have to do with issues with the police or those confronting or interfacing with the police. dc

It's amazing how distorted some people's point of view can become. In spite of any reality. dc

I don't know what part of 'basic manners' is making false accusations. No one threw any mud at her. dc

I see you are in Brazil. Perhaps someday you will have the opportunity. I would recommend coming to Salt Lake to attend the conference. They will give you reserved front section tickets, and you can attend the Salt Lake Temple. Manti, the only other place live sessions are available is 125 miles to the south. So it's all possible for at least a one time trip. I hope you do make it some day. dc

yjacket I think you are 100% right here. When I hear parents who say "my kids are the most important thing in my life" I cringe. The most important thing for any parent is to be a parent, not a follower of the children. The children do not know how to lead the way. I know a lady that has raised 4 good children, now adults and they knew what the "look" was when they were not doing what the mother demanded. They learned discipline, and most importantly, self discipline. It sounds like you have learned how to do it right. dc I think there is another common problem out there today. Every parent in the world thinks their kid is "special". Smarter, more energetic, more clever, and better looking. They aren't. And they shouldn't be raised that way. It's all that false pride that is promoted today. Trying to raise children to think they are "special" ruins them. I think there is another thread here about that. It's the link about the "GYPSYS" in another thread. dc

I certainly agree with you about that. We have today adults who cannot be adults, nor leaders nor teachers. And so the children are raised to be selfish monsters. Very common here in the Los Angeles area. Again, the traditional way is the best way to go, where the children are children and the adults are adults. dc