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#21 rameumptom

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Posted 28 September 2008 - 04:40 PM

I think an inportant change to the OP question would be asking when the last recorded prophecy of a larger world even to occur. While there were a few BOM prophets who prophecied of events that occured prior to the 1830's and there is a thinly provable prophecy about Joseph Smith predicting the start of the Civil War. I don't know if there has been since then a single reported instance of a prophet prophefising (sorry, is that even a word?) about anything in the latter 19th, 20th, or 21st century.

I wonder why WW1, WW2, Any number of wars since then, or any number of world events were not predicted. I wonder why there are no "future" world event that have been prophicied. There have been a couple of temples accidently (or intentionally) destroyed over the years. Why were these not know about? Why is there zero prophecies about 100, 200, 300 years from now? 1000 years from now.

I would tend to say that as far as revelation making it to canon, I would say that the ones mentioned earlier would count, but I'm actually not sure about the Families one. I've always felt that the proclimation on the family was scripture, but not sure if its been voted upon making it full doctrine.


A closer look at the War on Prophecy shows that Joseph Smith not only predicted the Civil War, but also the world wars. I also believe he predicted the collapse of the Soviet Union and the current attacks by the radical Arab world. I recommend my article at the link above.

To note Pres Hinckley's General Conference Priesthood Session warning in 1998 about getting out of debt, and suggesting some very difficult financial times for the world are very relevant today. He stated this when the economy was going through a mild slow down - nothing of today (crash of the Tech stocks in 1999, 9/11, Iraq War, $4 gas, crash of the housing market) was on the radar then.

#22 rockwoodchev

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 10:44 AM

rockwoodchev, You ask why world events are not predicted, its a very simple answer. A Prophet is not like 'the psychic friends hotline' they are not made prophets to read the nightly news(before or after the fact). They are there to call people to repent and to teach them how to live. There are FORTHtellers, not FOREtellers.

Prophets help change peoples lives so they can return to heaven, how could knowing about WW2 for example in advance lead more people to Christ? We are to live by faith (and there are many reasons for this), If Prophets revealed every noteworthy event in advance faith would no longer be necessary and our agency (being free to choose) would be done away with. Once you do away with free will then there is no reason for us to be here.



One of the proof points we often use in the church is that prophets are able to prophecy of future events. One of the most famous that I'm thinking of from Joseph Smiths life is that start of the Civil War. That was a prophecy in the D&C that is constantly used to show what a great prophet he was.
As a second example, prophecies in the BOM about the founding of a free country in which the BOM could come forth. These sound quite like predicting world events. How offensive it is that you would take things like this and equate them to "the psychic friends hotline".

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 10:52 AM


To note Pres Hinckley's General Conference Priesthood Session warning in 1998 about getting out of debt, and suggesting some very difficult financial times for the world are very relevant today. He stated this when the economy was going through a mild slow down - nothing of today (crash of the Tech stocks in 1999, 9/11, Iraq War, $4 gas, crash of the housing market) was on the radar then.


No... You didn't just say that "general" predictions of future events show that in hindsight what a prophet said is proof?

I'll go on record in saying the following things:
1. There will be a epedemic in Africa in the next 50 years
2. There will be widespread civic unrest in the middle east.
3. The world will undergo major climate changes within 100 years.
4. The church growth rate will diminish to <1% year on year.

So... 10 years from now when these predictions come 50% true, will you talk about me in a post?

#24 rameumptom

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 12:22 PM

Many times prophecies are given a little vague on purpose. It is so that the righteous, through the Spirit of God, can see when they are accomplished, while the wicked remain in the dark. This is similar to Jesus' reason for teaching in parables. For the righteous, they study the prophecies and see when they are fulfilled. I believe most of D&C 87 has been fulfilled, or is being fulfilled right now in our day. But that's because I've pondered and studied these things for several decades, and watched for their fulfillment with an open mind.

#25 rameumptom

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 12:24 PM

No... You didn't just say that "general" predictions of future events show that in hindsight what a prophet said is proof?

I'll go on record in saying the following things:
1. There will be a epedemic in Africa in the next 50 years
2. There will be widespread civic unrest in the middle east.
3. The world will undergo major climate changes within 100 years.
4. The church growth rate will diminish to <1% year on year.

So... 10 years from now when these predictions come 50% true, will you talk about me in a post?


Can you attempt to be a little more rude in your next post? You asked a question about revelation in the last days. I attempted to give my opinion on it. Disagree if you will. But there's no reason to be a jerk about it.

You ignored my portion of the post that DID answer your question about the world wars in D&C 87, then jumped on a point you wished to verbally attack. Are you authentically interested in a discussion? I don't think so.

I'm personally done with this thread.

#26 rockwoodchev

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 12:53 PM

Sorry, Didn't mean to offend. I was actually a bit offended at your post to me, and I overreacted. I was just meaning to prove a point with an off-the-wall example. I get a bit miffed when we try to attibute revelation when none exsists. I'm a bit preplexed why you bail on a conversation when I bring up a point. I'm frustrated in F&TM when someone will get up and say they were almost in an auto accident but was protected at the last minute by making it through the intersection just prior to a major accident. They "know" they were being watched over. This has always bothered me as what does it tell the next person into the intersection that got nailed. "Sorry, you wern't being watched over"??? No, that is the wrong message. I was simply giving a "over the top" example of the logic that says that since Pres Hinckly gave a general conversation in GC, that a few years later we start saying "See.. He warned us". It just doesn't follow. Sorry to offend, but it probably won't be the last time I do it.

#27 mnn727

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Posted 29 September 2008 - 03:31 PM

One of the proof points we often use in the church is that prophets are able to prophecy of future events. ".

I've been in the Church 15 years and have never heard anyone say anything near to that. I been in 5 wards in 3 states during that time.

I'm frustrated in F&TM when someone will get up and say they were almost in an auto accident but was protected at the last minute by making it through the intersection just prior to a major accident. They "know" they were being watched over. .

I can understand that, I'm ready to start throwing things when someone tells how God helped them find their car keys or their lost cat. I just consider the source and move on.

I'm kinda agreeing with rameumptom, some pretty good answers have been given and there's not much else to say, you either accept them or not.

Edited by mnn727, 29 September 2008 - 03:36 PM.


#28 Hemidakota

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Posted 30 September 2008 - 06:39 AM

It starts with faith, knowing you will receive an answer. Now, please, throw something over here if you like. [LOL] A good example here, after exhausting search for my wife's cell phone, it came down to prayer in aiding us to find her phone; after using a GPS search, we found the phone was turned off. No more than a few minutes later, my son for unknown reason decided to look into the newspaper stack and with hand into the box, found the phone. Was this a by chance? Not likely...again, we apply first then ask. It works.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 06:17 PM

First off, I appreciate your openness to listen and learn. Also your wisdom to seek information from LDS people instead of others. Many people look for answers in the wrong places, if one wants to know about something, ask someone who is part of it (IE if I want to learn more about Islam, I'll ask a practicing Muslim, not an Evangelical or practicing Jew). In answer to your question, much of it has been addressed. The latest "scriptural canon" could be "Official Declaration 2." I would say that the latest canon that we've received is any direct revelatory teaching given from an inspired person. One thing that many non-LDS people do not understand about us is how we see revelation. LDS believe that any time some speaks by the power of the Holy Ghost (a member of Deity) than that person is speaking revelation. If a church leader extends a calling to someone in the church and it is by the power of the Holy Ghost, then it is revelation. In fact, if a person receives any kind of guidance from the Holy Ghost, it is considered revelation. This is generally referred to as "personal revelation" because it only involves the person receiving it, not the church or the world. LDs people view revelation as an ongoing, dynamic force that not only applies to the church as a whole, but to each person individually. We believe that God speaks to everyone because He loves us all. Hopefully that makes sense to you.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 08:58 PM

ZOMBIE THREAD RESURRECTION! Perhaps we should start keeping track of the oldest thread opened. This one is 5 years.
I say that we need to teach our people to find their answers in the scriptures...But the unfortunate thing is that so many of us are not reading the scriptures. We do not know what is in them, and therefore we speculate about things that we ought to have found in the scriptures themselves. I think that therein is one of our biggest dangers of today."
--President Harold B. Lee, December, 1972

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 09:00 PM

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#32 laffopuritain

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 09:03 PM

I can understand that, I'm ready to start throwing things when someone tells how God helped them find their car keys or their lost cat. I just consider the source and move on.


You must have really hated President Monson when he made the claim in General Conference that God helped him to find his 5 dollars then.

What an ignorant guy



#33 stevejames1012

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 02:17 PM

My bad, I just opened my forum's account and failed to check the date. How did that end up working out for you?




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