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#1 Fiannan

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 09:12 AM

Gov. Blagojevich taken into federal custody :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Gov. Blagojevich and Operation Board Games

Ouch, it's a good thing Obama doesn't associate with people like this. Oh wait, he does. Maybe he can give him a pardon someday. So much for the reputation of Chicago politics.:mad:
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 09:13 AM

Never thought that Chicago politics had a good reputation. Ben Raines
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 09:20 AM

No Chicago and Illinois politics don't have good reputations at all. I say about time. There are too many crooked politicians out there that get away with more than they should.:mad:

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 09:34 AM

Gov. Blagojevich taken into federal custody :: CHICAGO SUN-TIMES :: Gov. Blagojevich and Operation Board Games

Ouch, it's a good thing Obama doesn't associate with people like this. Oh wait, he does. Maybe he can give him a pardon someday. So much for the reputation of Chicago politics.:mad:


Obama "associates" with Gov. Blagojevich just like Gov. Palin "associates" with Sen. Stevens. ALL federal Senators have "associations" with their state govenors. Doesn't equal guilty-by-association.

And I'm glad that this Gov. was busted before he actually got to choose a Senator, although I hope the people he was "considering" (i.e. the ones who were offering him bribes) will be revealed.
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 09:42 AM

Ouch, it's a good thing Obama doesn't associate with people like this. Oh wait, he does. Maybe he can give him a pardon someday. So much for the reputation of Chicago politics.:mad:


The only way the connection you're suggesting makes any sense is if you're implying that Obama was involved in the corruptions that have come to light. This is highly unlikely as he has been under investigation since at least April of 2008.

But it's very much like many of the people here to take any cheap shot they can get rather than finding out what actually happened.

Dude. When both Vort and MOE are in agreement, the thinking has been done. :D


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Posted 09 December 2008 - 09:47 AM

I have to agree with ME on this one. Unless someone here has proof there was even a remotely evidence of ties with Obama, it should not raise its ugly head.

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 10:10 AM

I have to agree with ME on this one. Unless someone here has proof there was even a remotely evidence of ties with Obama, it should not raise its ugly head.


I certainly hope you would agree with yourself, Hemi! :lol:

Dude. When both Vort and MOE are in agreement, the thinking has been done. :D


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Posted 09 December 2008 - 01:04 PM

M[argin of]E[rror] = ME

HemiDakota = HD

I don't see the point. However, we could just cap the "of" to read MOE. :D But where's Larry and Curly? ;)

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 02:33 PM

Wish those corruption investigators were active in all parts of the country.
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 02:53 PM

The only way the connection you're suggesting makes any sense is if you're implying that Obama was involved in the corruptions that have come to light. This is highly unlikely as he has been under investigation since at least April of 2008.

But it's very much like many of the people here to take any cheap shot they can get rather than finding out what actually happened.


I have to disagree, Moe. It's clear Obama's goal in running for presidency was to leave a vacant seat. Think about it: If he won the presidency, he could vacate his seat. Then, he could not only fill it with someone who was a yes-man, he could get them to pay him for the priviledge of being his yes-man!

Yes, yes, I know. You're going to bring up your leftist 'facts' like 'It cost Obama millions to run for President.' and 'The President has more power in the form of a veto then his previous position.' and 'You're being stupid, Funky. He's being watched like a hawk by everyone on the political right, all of whom are hoping to destroy his legacy and any chance he has of making any change."

Well, listen here _MOE_: This is a fact free zone. We don't condemn a man based on facts here. We condemn them based upon political affiliation and economic viewpoint. We break people on the altar of public opinion based upon hearsay, vague innuendos, spurious logic and outright untenable lies. Because that's the way God intends us to be!

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 04:00 PM

I have to disagree, Moe. It's clear Obama's goal in running for presidency was to leave a vacant seat. Think about it: If he won the presidency, he could vacate his seat. Then, he could not only fill it with someone who was a yes-man, he could get them to pay him for the priviledge of being his yes-man!

Yes, yes, I know. You're going to bring up your leftist 'facts' like 'It cost Obama millions to run for President.' and 'The President has more power in the form of a veto then his previous position.' and 'You're being stupid, Funky. He's being watched like a hawk by everyone on the political right, all of whom are hoping to destroy his legacy and any chance he has of making any change."

Well, listen here _MOE_: This is a fact free zone. We don't condemn a man based on facts here. We condemn them based upon political affiliation and economic viewpoint. We break people on the altar of public opinion based upon hearsay, vague innuendos, spurious logic and outright untenable lies. Because that's the way God intends us to be!

HIGHFIVE, Fi! We sure showed that lefty, socialist, unamerican Moe who's boss, didn't we?


I'm ashamed of myself for having thought rationally. I hereby retract any rational statement I have made and will proceed to make all judgments and statements in fits of emotion, and make them heavily biased with unfair rationalizations of a partisan mind.

Dude. When both Vort and MOE are in agreement, the thinking has been done. :D


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Posted 09 December 2008 - 04:06 PM

Besides, it is not hard to find fault with Obama. He makes it simple enough without looking for connections. Just read his own policies, or his latest $700B or so New Deal 2.
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 04:18 PM

Some interesting reading:

The Austrian Economists: "Oh, but he's different"
Browse my blogs at SkylerJCollins.com..

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 06:07 PM

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December 09, 2008 3:37 PM
"Obviously like the rest of the people of Illinois I am saddened and sobered by the news that came out of the US attorney's office today," said President-elect Obama this afternoon in Chicago, speaking of the criminal complaint against Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich for corruption. "But as this is a ongoing investigation involving the governor I don't think it would be appropriate for me to comment on the issue at this time."

Asked what contact he'd had with the governor's office about his replacement in the Senate, President-elect Obama today said "I had no contact with the governor or his office and so we were not, I was not aware of what was happening."

But on November 23, 2008, his senior adviser David Axelrod appeared on Fox News Chicago and said something quite different.

While insisting that the President-elect had not expressed a favorite to replace him, and his inclination was to avoid being a "kingmaker," Axelrod said, "I know he's talked to the governor and there are a whole range of names many of which have surfaced, and I think he has a fondness for a lot of them."


Somebody's lying. Either Obama did or he didn't speak with Blago, but someone's not getting his story straight.

Apparently, according to the transition team, David Axelrod, Obama's senior advisor "misspoke" when he made this statement. Then again some politicians have a knack for "misspeaking."

Talk about bad judgment and crooked associations. Another modern Gadianton caught in his secret combinations. Bago is in deep. At least the Feds let him shower up before hauling him in.

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 06:38 PM

they have tape of the Gov trying to make a deal....perhaps his prison cell will be next to the former Illinois Gov who is currently serving time....:)
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Posted 09 December 2008 - 07:17 PM

On NPR today they mentioned that Obama spoke with the govenor about who he would like the Gov. to choose, and then the govenor was recorded (his phonelines were taped) speaking to someone else and saying, in essense, that all Obama was offering him was "appreciation" if he selected that guy, "so [explative] him." So while Obama did make a recommendation for who he'd like to fill his Senate seat, he didn't offer anything to the Govenor to try to "persuade" him to make that choice.
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#17 Fiannan

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 09:31 PM

Well, it should be interesting to see how this case evolves. On a related note, how's Tony Rezko, Obama's friend and real estate associate, faring at this moment?

Newsmax.com - Rezko Tie Links Obama and Blagojevich

Edited by Fiannan, 09 December 2008 - 09:38 PM.

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Posted 09 December 2008 - 09:38 PM

this is a good article if someone wants to read it.....

Newsmax.com - Blagojevich Scandal: What Did Obama Know, and When Did He Know It?
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Posted 10 December 2008 - 04:41 AM

Besides, it is not hard to find fault with Obama. He makes it simple enough without looking for connections. Just read his own policies, or his latest $700B or so New Deal 2.


Imagine that, I like every one of those policies! What's the fault again...oh that's right, that you have a different opinion. It must be nice that be so powerful your opinion makes a person flawed.

Dude. When both Vort and MOE are in agreement, the thinking has been done. :D


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Posted 10 December 2008 - 05:20 AM

Imagine that, I like every one of those policies! What's the fault again...oh that's right, that you have a different opinion. It must be nice that be so powerful your opinion makes a person flawed.


Ha! Good for you! You are right that it's my opinion but it is because I am not a misanthrope and I see his policies as making individuals worse off and leading quickly toward a more socialist US.

If you would like to discuss any specific issues then let me know. Perhaps you could tell me how any of them will help people (and not at the expense of making others worse off). I would encourage you to use the scriptures as much as possible to support your views.

Edited by austro-libertarian, 10 December 2008 - 05:32 AM.

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