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#1 Hemidakota

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 06:13 AM

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On June 1, 2009 I took residence in my recently purchased home in Las Vegas, Nevada. While driving here from my temporary apartment in Salt Lake City, I passed two locations that have a wealth of history, related to the lives and travels of Mormon and Moroni. I was especially captivated by my drive down I-15, passing Filmore, and finally passing Cedar City, Utah.

In the foothills of the two cities of Filmore, Utah and Cedar City, Utah, my dear friend of many years, Jose Davila, claimed to have read some petroglyphs which indicate both Mormon and Moroni were in these locations. Jose claimed that two of these sets of petroglyphs were written by Moroni. He told me that his “translation” of these petroglyphs was based on his use of Budge’s Egyptian Dictionary.

Reaction to Jose’s claim, by those who hold credentials in linguistics, etc, was that the petroglyphs were essentially graffiti, probably written by High School or University students, as a prank. Jose even moved to this area of Southern Utah and for over a year attempting to locate items he claimed were buried in these two locations.

Jose’s efforts became public knowledge and stirred a lot of excitement. Stories appeared in the newspaper, university professors made sport of Jose’s claims and eventually Jose gave up on his efforts and returned to Mexico.

I met Jose after he had returned to Mexico and a few years later visited the petroglyphs while conducting post-doctoral studies at Brigham Young University, in Provo, Utah.

In March 2000 I published The Lives and Travels of Mormon and Moroni, in which I placed photos of the two sets of petroglyphs that Jose claimed to have “translated,” (see page 214 of my book).

More on these two sets of petroglyphs next month.

July Update

Jerry has completed his move but the hot summer months are now upon us and this month's article will be mainly an introduction to next month's. Jerry is pretty much focused right now on following Moroni's trail in Utah rather than Mexico, though that could change anytime.

I have traveled with Jerry to some of the sites he mentions in Utah. It's a fascinating study and very interesting to learn how the ancients communicated and left 'bulletin boards' that remain in our time for those who know how to recognize them for what they are. Now, as I wander in the deserts near my St. George home town close to Cedar City, I am always alert for certain signs that remain largely unknown to most people because of the ever present threat of treasure seekers and vandals, and the hostility to amateurs of some of the professionals...

It is my understanding that recently the feds raided several ranches in Utah with armed tactical teams and arrested people who apparently had ancient artifacts in their possession. As I understand it, a local medical doctor lost his life because of those raids by armed employees of the federal government. We are certainly living in times of bloated governments and myriad regulations, and police forces who do not hesitate to take away the "inalienable" God-given rights and liberty of citizens of the USA. (That's my personal opinion and my first hand observation.)

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 02:11 PM

My first reaction is one of skepticism. I'd have to see a whole lot of evidence and verification by third parties before I'd believe that petroglyphs in Utah were written by Mormon and Moroni. The author of the email also needs to check his facts about the raids conducted by the federal government in Southern Utah:

As I understand it, a local medical doctor lost his life because of those raids by armed employees of the federal government. We are certainly living in times of bloated governments and myriad regulations, and police forces who do not hesitate to take away the "inalienable" God-given rights and liberty of citizens of the USA. (That's my personal opinion and my first hand observation.)


Dr. James Redd did not lose his life "because of those raids", Dr Redd took his own life, he did not leave a suicide note so we could only speculate on his motives. Mr Ainsworth has his right to his opinion, but the police forces did not take away any god given rights of the citizens of Southern Utah, they were arrested for breaking federal law related to the taking and distribution of ancient Native American artifacts.

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Posted 01 July 2009 - 10:49 PM

I do not doubt there were wondering of many different tribes, even those from central Americas, that were brought here from different lands but this one I have to see for myself. Knowing Jerry, he will take some pictures and have some residence experts in examining the writings.

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 11:58 AM

They have to be fraudulent. For one thing, Nephi used REFORMED Egyptian, not Egyptian, so Budge's book would have been useless. Why? Because it was probably more like demotic, which Budge does not use. Second, in the BoM, Moroni tells us that the Reformed Egyptian had been altered by the time he was around, so it would have been even further away from Egyptian hieroglyphics. Finally, Mormon probably never made it that far north, as he never went to the New York hill Cumorah, but remained in Central America near the Hill Ramah prior to his death. Moroni may have passed that way, but once again, his writings would not have been anything like Egyptian.
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Posted 02 July 2009 - 12:02 PM

My first reaction is one of skepticism. I'd have to see a whole lot of evidence and verification by third parties before I'd believe that petroglyphs in Utah were written by Mormon and Moroni. The author of the email also needs to check his facts about the raids conducted by the federal government in Southern Utah:



Dr. James Redd did not lose his life "because of those raids", Dr Redd took his own life, he did not leave a suicide note so we could only speculate on his motives. Mr Ainsworth has his right to his opinion, but the police forces did not take away any god given rights of the citizens of Southern Utah, they were arrested for breaking federal law related to the taking and distribution of ancient Native American artifacts.


There was a second person who was also arrested for the same thing that took his life as well.

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Posted 02 July 2009 - 10:09 PM

They have to be fraudulent. For one thing, Nephi used REFORMED Egyptian, not Egyptian, so Budge's book would have been useless. Why? Because it was probably more like demotic, which Budge does not use.
Second, in the BoM, Moroni tells us that the Reformed Egyptian had been altered by the time he was around, so it would have been even further away from Egyptian hieroglyphics.
Finally, Mormon probably never made it that far north, as he never went to the New York hill Cumorah, but remained in Central America near the Hill Ramah prior to his death. Moroni may have passed that way, but once again, his writings would not have been anything like Egyptian.


Moroni did pass through southern Utah - Moroni dedicated the ground for the Manti temple. But I do agree ancient petroglyphs are not Egyptian nor or they even phonetically structured.


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Posted 03 July 2009 - 01:52 AM


In the foothills of the two cities of Filmore, Utah and Cedar City, Utah, my dear friend of many years, Jose Davila, claimed to have read some petroglyphs which indicate both Mormon and Moroni were in these locations. Jose claimed that two of these sets of petroglyphs were written by Moroni. He told me that his “translation” of these petroglyphs was based on his use of Budge’s Egyptian Dictionary.


... and in the a dried river bed outside Prove, my dear friend of many years, Swen Chipotle, claims to have discovered proof that bigfoot cross-bred with the Loch Ness monster and created a super race of quadra-pedal serpents that invented the printing press and also the iPod.

What's the difference between my friend Swen and your friend Jose? My friend is slightly more credible than yours.
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 01:55 AM

Swen Chipotle? hahahahaha I have a problem with your post Snow. I don't believe that is his real name.

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Posted 03 July 2009 - 02:00 AM

Swen Chipotle? hahahahaha I have a problem with your post Snow. I don't believe that is his real name.


It's all true - so very, very true. Swen was born Jerry "the bod" Von Ainsworth but had his name legally changed to Swen Chipotle after he discovered proof that Nephites were the original owners of the NBA team, The Utah Jazz.
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Posted 03 July 2009 - 02:06 AM

Toooooo funny. I don't know where you come up with some of this stuff.

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 04:36 PM

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On June 1, 2009 I took residence in my recently purchased home in Las Vegas, Nevada. While driving here from my temporary apartment in Salt Lake City, I passed two locations that have a wealth of history, related to the lives and travels of Mormon and Moroni. I was especially captivated by my drive down I-15, passing Filmore, and finally passing Cedar City, Utah.

In the foothills of the two cities of Filmore, Utah and Cedar City, Utah, my dear friend of many years, Jose Davila, claimed to have read some petroglyphs which indicate both Mormon and Moroni were in these locations. Jose claimed that two of these sets of petroglyphs were written by Moroni. He told me that his “translation” of these petroglyphs was based on his use of Budge’s Egyptian Dictionary.

Reaction to Jose’s claim, by those who hold credentials in linguistics, etc, was that the petroglyphs were essentially graffiti, probably written by High School or University students, as a prank. Jose even moved to this area of Southern Utah and for over a year attempting to locate items he claimed were buried in these two locations.

Jose’s efforts became public knowledge and stirred a lot of excitement. Stories appeared in the newspaper, university professors made sport of Jose’s claims and eventually Jose gave up on his efforts and returned to Mexico.

I met Jose after he had returned to Mexico and a few years later visited the petroglyphs while conducting post-doctoral studies at Brigham Young University, in Provo, Utah.

In March 2000 I published The Lives and Travels of Mormon and Moroni, in which I placed photos of the two sets of petroglyphs that Jose claimed to have “translated,” (see page 214 of my book).

More on these two sets of petroglyphs next month.


July Update


Jerry has completed his move but the hot summer months are now upon us and this month's article will be mainly an introduction to next month's. Jerry is pretty much focused right now on following Moroni's trail in Utah rather than Mexico, though that could change anytime.

I have traveled with Jerry to some of the sites he mentions in Utah. It's a fascinating study and very interesting to learn how the ancients communicated and left 'bulletin boards' that remain in our time for those who know how to recognize them for what they are. Now, as I wander in the deserts near my St. George home town close to Cedar City, I am always alert for certain signs that remain largely unknown to most people because of the ever present threat of treasure seekers and vandals, and the hostility to amateurs of some of the professionals...

It is my understanding that recently the feds raided several ranches in Utah with armed tactical teams and arrested people who apparently had ancient artifacts in their possession. As I understand it, a local medical doctor lost his life because of those raids by armed employees of the federal government. We are certainly living in times of bloated governments and myriad regulations, and police forces who do not hesitate to take away the "inalienable" God-given rights and liberty of citizens of the USA. (That's my personal opinion and my first hand observation.)

Jerry Ainsworth


This needs some clarification. Dr. Jerry Ainsworth wrote the words up to: "More on these two sets of petroglyphs next month." The other words were written by and are the personal opinions of the person who compiles and sends out the newsletter that HemiDakota has quoted from.

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 04:52 PM

They have to be fraudulent. For one thing, Nephi used REFORMED Egyptian, not Egyptian, so Budge's book would have been useless. Why? Because it was probably more like demotic, which Budge does not use.
Second, in the BoM, Moroni tells us that the Reformed Egyptian had been altered by the time he was around, so it would have been even further away from Egyptian hieroglyphics.
Finally, Mormon probably never made it that far north, as he never went to the New York hill Cumorah, but remained in Central America near the Hill Ramah prior to his death. Moroni may have passed that way, but once again, his writings would not have been anything like Egyptian.


It is just your opinion that Mormon "remained in Central America near the Hill Ramah." Some people think that Mormon was killed and is buried near Cedar City, Utah. But of course there is no proof of that, at least I'm not aware of any.

Dr. Ainsworth is currently involved with a new nonprofit group called the "Foundation for Ancient American Studies." It's possible that some day they may conduct tours in Utah to introduce others to the wealth of possible Nephite 'evidences' that is to be found in that state. Subscribers to the Mormon Sites monthly newsletter "Nephite Evidences" will be among the first to know if that happens.

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 05:01 PM

Moroni did pass through southern Utah - Moroni dedicated the ground for the Manti temple. But I do agree ancient petroglyphs are not Egyptian nor or they even phonetically structured.
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Apparently Brigham Young said that Moroni dedicated the site for the St. George, Utah temple, but I don't have the reference in front of me.

The petroglyphs that Jerry talks about are very different than the Anasazi etc. glyphs that are common in southern Utah. Some of the ones Jerry talks about contain a symbol that some people think is Moroni's signature. That signature has been found in I think about 32 known locations in western USA. A ranger in Filmore, Utah has a lot of information on it if anyone cares to go to the ranger station there and ask for him. Go around to the back of the ranger station and you'll see the "Signature Rock" that was brought in from a nearby mountain location, it has a Moroni signature.

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 05:07 PM

It's all true - so very, very true. Swen was born Jerry "the bod" Von Ainsworth but had his name legally changed to Swen Chipotle after he discovered proof that Nephites were the original owners of the NBA team, The Utah Jazz.


I personally find this post in very poor taste. Disagree with him if you will but Dr. Ainsworth is an eminent Book of Mormon scholar, he deserves more respect than this on an LDS board in my opinion.

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 08:25 PM

This is interesting. I've been doing some armchiar research into Zelph and the connection with Native tribes. Pretty cool stuff.

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 08:59 PM

I personally find this post in very poor taste. Disagree with him if you will but Dr. Ainsworth is an eminent Book of Mormon scholar, he deserves more respect than this on an LDS board in my opinion.


Eminent Book of Mormon scholar?

When did that happen? I didn't even know that he was a BoM scholar (I think he is a law or health professor) let alone eminent. He has a popular book on the topic but I don't think any scholar takes his work seriously.

As to whether he should be referred to as "the bod" ... you decide:

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 09:20 PM

Well, we need to get to the bottom of this, as there's no doubt in my mind whatsoever that our exaltation depends on this data.

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 10:03 PM

There are few professors who worked the ancient xxxxxxx department I would not bother to give them the time of day. However, noticing Dr. Ainsworths method of studies, opens the door to possibilities I would never considered in the past. Even I do not agree with everything placed on the table per say, one was his choice for the hill of Cumorah but his finding of artifacts and bone remains was quite surprising. One does not need to hold a academic degree to be a scholar in the field. If that was true, then we need to remember both the GOD and the Savior do not hold any academic paper. :)

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 10:16 PM


One does not need to hold a academic degree to be a scholar in the field. If that was true, then we need to remember both the GOD and the Savior do not hold any academic paper. :)


1. Oh? What's the source of your information?

2. Did anyone assert that they were scholars?

btw... how would you the method of Ainsworth'as studies you referred to?

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Posted 09 July 2009 - 10:27 PM

Ok...are you saying both GOD and Christ have a academic degree? We don't need to go into the subject of receiving further guidance with pray or personal revelation Snow. What we think is necessary for us is not necessary for them or those who are foreordained to important callings in mortality. Don't get me wrong, I am proponent of education as Hugh coined it, "...cradle to grave" but calling a person a scholar based on a piece of paper is not true. I don't recall the Prophet Joseph Smith having any academic certificate on the level of a PhD and I considered his works beyond most of us could reach.

Reading on what is given on such a short mortal life of this beloved Son of GOD, I highly doubt He did or was necessary for Him to hold such. However, we could contend with others of the past, dispensation prophets and by adding armchair research of fragmented writings, what was the education levels. I would find same. I wonder why?

Here is your quote -

Eminent Book of Mormon scholar?

When did that happen? I didn't even know that he was a BoM scholar


It doesn't matter if his doctorate was not in ancient religion or history.




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