lilered Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 If you listened to Pres. Obamas speech last nite. What conclusion did you come to? Did he change your mind? And if so, why? I thought he addressed several key points that I have questions about. However, I am still not convinced of the following: Illegal Aliens will not get free Government Health Care - The reason, I heard his committment but I still believe the Amnesty Issue is still up in the air. Bottom Line, nothing indicates that in the next four years, these 11 Million illegal aliens will not be granted Citizenship. He made several committments but neither the present bill before the House or Senate includes his committments, and in fact indicate just the opposite. Therefore, I was encouraged by what I heard, but mistrust the House and Senate, enough to be very leary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADoyle90815 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 For the most part, I liked it, but I'm also not convinced that those here illegally won't get free healthcare. It was good that the Congressman who heckled Obama apologized for his outburst, and that it was accepted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 If you listened to Pres. Obamas speech last nite. What conclusion did you come to?Did he change your mind? And if so, why?I thought he addressed several key points that I have questions about. However, I am still not convinced of the following:Illegal Aliens will not get free Government Health Care - The reason, I heard his committment but I still believe the Amnesty Issue is still up in the air. Bottom Line, nothing indicates that in the next four years, these 11 Million illegal aliens will not be granted Citizenship.He made several committments but neither the present bill before the House or Senate includes his committments, and in fact indicate just the opposite. Therefore, I was encouraged by what I heard, but mistrust the House and Senate, enough to be very leary. I was not encouraged. I see no incentive from the government for it's citizens to be healthy or make any effort under their program to be healthy. It appears to me that health care reform equals punish healthy people for choosing a healthy lifestyle.I am also concerned that people are to recieve health care without any investment on their part. I understand people are poor and cannot afford the full costs - but no cost?? The Traveler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisyn Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Oddly enough, Traveler, Medicaid in Idaho is offering points for healthy activities. My mom is disabled and on that particular gov't insurance, and she gets points for every time she does her water-therapy or exercises a certain amount each day. She doesn't know what the points are for, but it gives her a goal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palerider Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 I don't see where he said anything different that he hasn't already said.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytebear Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 I though the same thing. Didn't he do previous speeches that were essential the same thing? I don't see any compromise by the administration or the democrats. The congressman who spoke out has valid concerns, and it would be very easy to modify the bill to calm him, but they are simply unwilling to budge. It's very frustrating, and it will kill the bill, and possibly a second term for Obama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moksha Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 For the most part, I liked it, but I'm also not convinced that those here illegally won't get free healthcare. It is up to Congress to write that into law. From there it will be written into federal regulations for the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytor2112 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 He is a study in contradiction and the BIGGEST problem is that HE has no plan. He is still relying on Pelosi and Reid!! The thought of being fined for not buying health insurance makes my head explode. He said a whole lot of nothing. Really, if he wants to sell the idea....HE needs to produce an idea of HIS own with details. Who benefits, what does it cost, what does it cover, what is excluded and HOW will it be payed for......for the love of Pete man, these unanswered questions are the very reason Americans are freaked out by this guy. He thinks some clever political rhetoric (because, as he told Harry Reid, He has a gift) is going to dazzle us into blindly accepting whatever the DC nitwit network produces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 President Obama can say whatever he wants about his plan. Until he submits a new bill, though; what we have is the House version--and the criticisms of that stand until the bill is thoroughly amended or withdrawn.Let's play the "which is more likely" game. Is it more likely that the President is going to completely withdraw/rework a 1,000-plus-page bill which, the evidence suggests, already incorporates his true vision for health care reform?Or is it more likely that he'll tell us he's completely withdrawn/reworked it while, in practice, offering a few token amendments and then forcing the bill through essentially as-is once the public furor has died down?Despite his pretty words, I would suggest his record shows that President Obama's preferred tactic is to marginalize, not to compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moksha Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 It's very frustrating, and it will kill the bill, and possibly a second term for Obama. That would mean we would have to wait many more years for another Democratic President and Democratic Congress majority to be elected, before we could have another chance at having a health care system like the rest of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palerider Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 For the most part, I liked it, but I'm also not convinced that those here illegally won't get free healthcare. It was good that the Congressman who heckled Obama apologized for his outburst, and that it was accepted. I agree...I am glad he offered an apology....you will never see the democrats who booed a President during his speech apologize....:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john doe Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 That would mean we would have to wait many more years for another Democratic President and Democratic Congress majority to be elected, before we could have another chance at having a health care system like the rest of the world.Good. The longer we wait to destroy our economy the better as far as I'm concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palerider Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Once we get free healthcare....we should all complain until we get living quarters for free.....who wants free rent and free homes....:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytebear Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 That would mean we would have to wait many more years for another Democratic President and Democratic Congress majority to be elected, before we could have another chance at having a health care system like the rest of the world.Or we could simply modify a few issues with the current system. I remember the first time around, we heard that the world would explode without health care reform. That was, what, 15 years ago? Seems like things have run as they always do. The private sector can handle the ebb and flow of supply and demand without any push from the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 He said,Reducing the waste and inefficiency in Medicare and Medicaid will pay for most of this plan.And if we don't pass this plan, does he intend to keep the waste and inefficiency, out of spite?Hmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moksha Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Once we get free healthcare....we should all complain until we get living quarters for free.....who wants free rent and free homes....:) Where do you get this free health care idea? Can you imagine what a group of naysayers denying a way to get health care for those with pre-existing conditions or who cannot afford expensive health insurance by essentially telling these people to eat cake, would say to an idea of a roof over everyones head? Get real, they would start teabagging again with an urging for people to get their howitzers out of storage.:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palerider Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Where do you get this free health care idea? Can you imagine what a group of naysayers denying a way to get health care for those with pre-existing conditions or who cannot afford expensive health insurance by essentially telling these people to eat cake, would say to an idea of a roof over everyones head? Get real, they would start teabagging again with an urging for people to get their howitzers out of storage.:) ooohhh...you mean its not free...... I am sure the rich would love to provide us all with shelter over our heads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bytor2112 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Can you imagine what a group of naysayers denying a way to get health care for those with pre-existing conditions or who cannot afford expensive health insurance by essentially telling these people to eat cakeOh dear........Moksha, are you serious. Is that why people are protesting? They want to deny those with pre-existing conditions health insurance???? Really? And they also want high insurance premiums? Really? You are joking right??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moksha Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 I am sure the rich would love to provide us all with shelter over our heads They're the ones that let the little match girl freeze. No, for shelter you would need Samaritans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palerider Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 remember....not protesting....an Angry Mob....:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palerider Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 They're the ones that let the little match girl freeze. No, for shelter you would need Samaritans. or higher taxes....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moksha Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 or higher taxes....... Both Samaritans and higher taxes.:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palerider Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 Better start passing around more kool aid.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWolfboy Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 I think the President is doing a good job. I do feel that he might be taking on too much too soon, and might need to slow down just a bit and study all avenues before deciding on the right plan. After all we don't want to increase the deficit anymore than we did bailing out the greedy corporations out there. I think people are going overboard with all the conspiracy crap going around. Alot of the people judging the President have no clue what he is talking about. They just get riled up because of all the bad theories out there. The last one I heard was the President was going to declare martial law because of the swine flu and take over the country as a socialist. Come on...are we that ignorant?! Rich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palerider Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 I think the President is doing a good job. I do feel that he might be taking on too much too soon, and might need to slow down just a bit and study all avenues before deciding on the right plan. After all we don't want to increase the deficit anymore than we did bailing out the greedy corporations out there. I think people are going overboard with all the conspiracy crap going around. Alot of the people judging the President have no clue what he is talking about. They just get riled up because of all the bad theories out there. The last one I heard was the President was going to declare martial law because of the swine flu and take over the country as a socialist. Come on...are we that ignorant?!Rich you forgot to mention my "Angry Mob" that I belong to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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