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#1 spect

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Posted 24 October 2009 - 08:06 PM

Joseph Smith said of the rainbow: “I have asked of the Lord concerning His coming; and while asking the Lord, He gave a sign and said, "In the days of Noah I set a bow in the heavens as a sign and token that in any year that the bow should be seen the Lord would not come; but there should be seed time and harvest during that year; but whenever you see the bow withdrawn, it shall be a token that there shall be famine, pestilence, and great distress among the nations, and that the coming of the Messiah is not far distant.” (Smith, Joseph. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Joseph F. Smith, 1976., pp. 340-41). So what do you supose could happen so that there would be no rainbow? Do you take from this statement that the Lord will come in the year with no rainbow?

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Posted 24 October 2009 - 08:16 PM

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Posted 24 October 2009 - 08:28 PM

yep. each year I see a rainbow I know we're safe for the time being!

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Posted 24 October 2009 - 09:13 PM

If there were no rainbow we would know that the Lord is coming. I think that is a good thing because until that happens things will only get worse.

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Posted 24 October 2009 - 09:29 PM

Speaking about the quote above and one other quote that Joseph Smith made I say:

What are we able to deduce from a close analysis of these two statements? Here are my conclusions.

In the first quote we learn that “in any year that the bow should be seen the Lord would not come”. So, conversely, “in any year” that the bow should not be seen the Lord will come.

We are also told that “in any year that the bow should be seen…there should be seed time”. From this we can conclude that something will happen that year to interfere with “seed time” and of course without planting there can be no harvest.

We need to be looking for the lack of a rainbow early in the year for it to be a warning to us. Apparently, by “seed time” whatever is going to happen will have already commenced.

In the second quote we learn that “in the year when the bow was not to be seen would commence desolation, calamity, and distress among the nations, without seed time or harvest”. So taking these two statements together we conclude that “in the year” when “desolation, calamity, and distress” will “commence”, the Lord will come.

“The year…without seed time or harvest” act as verification that the sign is authentic. So if we consider the commencement of “desolation, calamity, and distress among the nations” in a year “without seed time or harvest” to be a part of the sign, we can also expect that he will not come until the fulfillment of the entire sign is complete. If this were the case, we should not be looking for the Lord to appear until after “harvest” time.

I remember listening to a speaker talk about the idea that Joseph Smith’s birth coming just after the winter solstice, when the days get longer, was symbolic of light coming into the world. He also taught that his death coming just after the summer solstice, when the days get shorter, was symbolic of light going out of the world. I think the title of his adderss was something like, “All things testify of Christ”. Considering the amount of symbolism contained in the gospel and the fact that all things do testify of Christ, we should not be surprised if he makes his appearance just after the winter solstice.

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Posted 24 October 2009 - 09:39 PM

from the past post it seems some people think this quote is rumor. I know I have read it, possibly in a deep doctrine book that I am constantly digging in to! Doctrines of Salvation is a really good one that has some surprising things in it.

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Posted 24 October 2009 - 10:56 PM

Joseph Smith said of the rainbow:

“I have asked of the Lord concerning His coming; and while asking the Lord, He gave a sign and said, "In the days of Noah I set a bow in the heavens as a sign and token that in any year that the bow should be seen the Lord would not come; but there should be seed time and harvest during that year; but whenever you see the bow withdrawn, it shall be a token that there shall be famine, pestilence, and great distress among the nations, and that the coming of the Messiah is not far distant.”
(Smith, Joseph. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Joseph F. Smith, 1976., pp. 340-41).

So what do you supose could happen so that there would be no rainbow?


Rainbows are caused when light enters raindrops and reflects off the side of drops and exits. The rainbow acts like a prism. What it takes to make it so their are no rainbows are no light or no raindrops.
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Posted 25 October 2009 - 08:55 AM

Well everything is really symbolic in the scriptures... There shall be no sea, doesn't mean there isn't going to be an ocean, Moon turn to blood, Sun shall be darkened, stars fall from heaven. Birds in the trees, beasts of the field, fishes of the sea all symbolize different levels of people, CEL TER TEL. The Rainbow Symbolizes a Covenant made with Noah and sometimes represents Noah.

What any of this could mean? I have no idea...


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Posted 25 October 2009 - 08:59 AM

Joseph Smith said of the rainbow:

“I have asked of the Lord concerning His coming; and while asking the Lord, He gave a sign and said, "In the days of Noah I set a bow in the heavens as a sign and token that in any year that the bow should be seen the Lord would not come; but there should be seed time and harvest during that year; but whenever you see the bow withdrawn, it shall be a token that there shall be famine, pestilence, and great distress among the nations, and that the coming of the Messiah is not far distant.”
(Smith, Joseph. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Joseph F. Smith, 1976., pp. 340-41).

So what do you supose could happen so that there would be no rainbow?

Do you take from this statement that the Lord will come in the year with no rainbow?


Drought?

I believe the prophecy is both physical and spiritual. But, the physical rainbow we see only comes when moisture is present.

(Sorry, I'm still catching up... I only read the OP)

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 09:01 AM

Is that a calendar year or just the next 365 days? If I see a rainbow am I safe for the next 365 days or just until December 31? What if the rainbow is somewhere else in the world and not where I live. Is it rainbows throughout the world or just in my neighborhood? Nuclear winter would keep there from being a rainbow. I think the wisdom in being prepared and if you are prepared you shall not fear is best. Are you wise or foolish? Going to wait for the sign to prepare? To late if you wait for the sign. Ben Raines
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Posted 25 October 2009 - 10:24 AM

Rainbows are caused when light enters raindrops and reflects off the side of drops and exits. The rainbow acts like a prism. What it takes to make it so their are no rainbows are no light or no raindrops.


Don't forget a fundemental change in the way light acts (or water I suppose), that'll do it too. Oh and if everyone is struck blind (similar to your lack of light supposition) then the conditions would be met. I'm not sure that a literal reading is the way to go, and if I recall one of my first introductions to you on this board's former incarnation neither do you. :)

If we don't insist on a literal reading a severe drought might be what is being described.
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Posted 25 October 2009 - 02:34 PM

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Posted 26 October 2009 - 09:35 AM

Well I should get a picture of a rainbow and put it in my wallet. So I can constantly check to see if he second coming is near.

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 01:12 PM

Rainbows are caused when light enters raindrops and reflects off the side of drops and exits. The rainbow acts like a prism. What it takes to make it so their are no rainbows are no light or no raindrops.


Finally someone with some common sense. I was going to write this very thing. Thanks

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 06:17 PM

Finally someone with some common sense. I was going to write this very thing. Thanks


You're welcome.

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 06:28 PM

There's a lot more to it than this. An acquaintance of mine at ldsfreedomforum.com wrote a book on it and shares the first six chapters online for free. Really worth reading!

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 05:54 PM

Joseph Smith said of the rainbow:

“I have asked of the Lord concerning His coming; and while asking the Lord, He gave a sign and said, "In the days of Noah I set a bow in the heavens as a sign and token that in any year that the bow should be seen the Lord would not come; but there should be seed time and harvest during that year; but whenever you see the bow withdrawn, it shall be a token that there shall be famine, pestilence, and great distress among the nations, and that the coming of the Messiah is not far distant.”
(Smith, Joseph. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith. Joseph F. Smith, 1976., pp. 340-41).

So what do you supose could happen so that there would be no rainbow?

Do you take from this statement that the Lord will come in the year with no rainbow?


A severe drought.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 09:23 AM

It could also mean that there is so much pollution that you can't see the rainbows. That would make the sun darken and the moon red. So many other things can happen, too. We just don't know.

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Posted 02 September 2011 - 11:49 AM

So what do you supose could happen so that there would be no rainbow?

Extreme Drought

Do you take from this statement that the Lord will come in the year with no rainbow?

Thats the myth. I doubt it though. Worldwide no rain during a time when the sun is shining (which is when a rainbow occurs) for an entire year? seems unlikely to me.
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Posted 05 September 2011 - 03:04 PM

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