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#1 Wingnut

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 08:35 PM

I find it oddly hilarious that people get this worked up about a speaker at a fireside, not to mention the obvious hyperbole of calling Harry Reid "the most evil man on the earth." Bin Laden must be a close second.

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One man said, “If I see Harry Reid in the temple, I’m going to hit him.” Another told our stake president, “Harry Reid is the most evil man on the earth, and you and your counselors are next.” . . .

There were even people weighing in from out of state. One woman called from St. George, Utah; my husband took the call, and she gave him a message for our stake president: “You’re a wicked man for allowing this to happen.”


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#2 Moksha

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:02 PM

Wingnut, unlike yourself and the wonderful macadamia nut, these people are tough and toxic like the horse-chestnut. Both the Spirit as well as Harry Reid were driven out of that Chapel.
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#3 FunkyTown

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Posted 31 March 2010 - 11:14 PM

But Harry Reid is Da Debil(Da Debil is a FunkyTown® creation - TM, all rights reserved, Patent Pending. Any similarities or events or persons in real life is purely coincidental)

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#4 MarginOfError

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 05:27 AM

And this blog post contains some great quotes from President Grant about how members should conduct themselves with respect to politics.

Heber J. Grant on politics By Common Consent, a Mormon Blog

Dude. When both Vort and MOE are in agreement, the thinking has been done. :D


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#5 talisyn

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 06:13 AM

*sigh* On this board we may have our political differences, but I have yet to see someone call me an unbelieving heretic. And I am convinced of the goodness of those on this board who reside on the other side of the political aisle. Too bad not all Saints can get along as well as we do :P

#6 marts1

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 06:33 AM

And this blog post contains some great quotes from President Grant about how members should conduct themselves with respect to politics.

Heber J. Grant on politics By Common Consent, a Mormon Blog


Reminds me a little of our 12th and 13th articles of faith.

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 06:49 AM

Punching people in the temple? :confused::eek:

I'm no stake president, but that kind of attitude alone is probably worthy of recommend-revoking:rolleyes:. Someone obviously misses a key point in the gospel. Not to mention a key part of being American.

I'm no fan of Harry Reid, but he is an influential member of the church. As long as this fireside does not become his BYU Devotional part II (Harry Reid Blew It | A Soft Answer), there should be no problem. In other words, I would hope that he be asked to present at least an outline of his talk for approval beforehand... But you can't outright ban a guy in the position of Harry Reid. Edit: A guy (or gal) shouldn't be banned, no matter their position, unless there is a worthiness issue... Which is between the speaker and bishop/stake president, NOT the ward. I figured that was obvious, but apparently some folks don't have it figured out.End edit.

Edited by cjmaldrich, 01 April 2010 - 07:24 AM.


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Posted 01 April 2010 - 06:54 AM

Punching people in the temple? :confused::eek:


No kidding. What happened to "only the best of feelings..."?
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Posted 01 April 2010 - 07:41 AM

Its a sad day if that happened. I wonder if a General Authority's fireside would be cancelled if they knew his political leanings...:o
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#10 Gatorman

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 07:49 AM

Well, the reactions were out of place. However, a GA's political leanings are different than the actions of an individual who led the drive getting a bill passed as divisive as Health Care. There are those who believe this is a great bill inspired by Heavenly Father to help those in need. There are those who believe that this bill is just another institution created to remove our agency and any such action or institution has only one source. So, I can understand how it got so heated in general, but, no, I do not defend the actions, threats, etc, at ALL. Stupid people exist on both sides of the debate. :)

#11 FunkyTown

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Posted 01 April 2010 - 07:49 AM

I'm very uneasy with this in general. When politics divides Zion, something is seriously wrong. I'm hoping the prophet will make a declarative statement. When that happens, I'll do whatever's asked - Even if I turn out to be wrong. Until then, we need to love and respect everyone regardless of political leanings. Regardless of if they're crazy left wing loons or crazy right wing loons.

I. Am. A. Socialist. :)


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Posted 01 April 2010 - 10:33 AM

I'm hoping the prophet will make a declarative statement.


Does this count?

The Mormon Ethic of Civility - LDS Newsroom

#13 cjmaldrich

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Posted 02 April 2010 - 10:59 PM

Saguaro, thanks for the link. I don't remember seeing that when it came out. It's a good read for folks who take their duties as Americans seriously :D

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Posted 03 April 2010 - 07:20 AM

The real problem and the reason I find Senator Reid SO distasteful is his name.....Hairy????:eek::eek: That's just too creepy!
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Posted 03 April 2010 - 03:36 PM

I'm very uneasy with this in general. When politics divides Zion, something is seriously wrong.

I'm hoping the prophet will make a declarative statement. When that happens, I'll do whatever's asked - Even if I turn out to be wrong.

Until then, we need to love and respect everyone regardless of political leanings. Regardless of if they're crazy left wing loons or crazy right wing loons.


or spineless weasels who claim to be moderates ;)
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Not pain, not failure, not fatal tragedy?
Not the faulty units in this mad machinery?
Not the broken contacts in emotional chemistry?

#16 dorave

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Posted 03 April 2010 - 03:46 PM

the problem I find with this is allowing Reid to use church buildings to campaign, sure he wont be flashing around 'vote for reid' banners, but he is still in office and elections arent that far away, I think so long as politicians are in or campaigning for office (LDS or not) shouldnt be made speakers at any official church meetings.

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Posted 03 April 2010 - 06:54 PM

So is there suppose to be a moratorium on when political figures can and cannot bear their testimonies and conversion events? That seems a bit harsh to do to a fellow Saint. What about any public figure? Should Glenn Beck refrain from stepping to the podium and bear his testimony whenever he has a new book coming out? Mitt Romney shouldn't do anything in the Church when he campaigns for someone? Until the First Presidency comes out with a statement regarding such matters (and it is my understanding the First Presidency asked that Brother Reid share his story) I'm not gonna cop a holier than thou attitude about other people and their myriad potential motives.

Edited by talisyn, 03 April 2010 - 06:58 PM.


#18 dorave

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Posted 03 April 2010 - 09:26 PM

(and it is my understanding the First Presidency asked that Brother Reid share his story


link please?

#19 Moksha

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Posted 03 April 2010 - 10:20 PM

I read in the newspaper that the invitation came from the Stake President where the Fireside took place.
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#20 HEthePrimate

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Posted 04 April 2010 - 01:16 AM

One man said, “If I see Harry Reid in the temple, I’m going to hit him.”

Zowie! Seems to me that a person who would hit Harry Reid in the temple is himself unworthy to be in the temple...

Yikes. :(

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