Who Or What Is The Antichrist?

[prisonchaplain]

This is the short version of a lesson I recently offered on the topic.

TWO VIEWS OF THE ANTICHRIST

1. He's an individual who will rule during the end times, and is mentioned in Daniel 7:8, 23-25, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, and in Revelation 13:1-10.

2. It (or they) are theological or doctrinal heresy (error) that has, does, and will continue to occur. See 1 John 2:18, 22; and 2 John 1:7. In particular, the Docetist heresy, that Jesus only apparently suffered--not in actuality, is considered an antichrist teaching (see 1 John 4:1-3).

Personally, both of them seem possible. There will be a capital-A Antichrist during the end times, and there are teachings that are so heterodox as to be considered small-a antichrist in nature.

Questions: Your views on the identity of the Antichrist? If he's a person, what should we look for to be ready? If it's false teaching, what would raise a doctrine to the level of being considered antichrist?

[Traveler]

There are many scriptures that indicate that the opposition to Christ is not a mater of doctrine but a matter of behavior. Jesus pointed this out in the parable of the "Good Samaritan". In John chapter 8, Jesus tells us that we do the will of our Father be it Satan or the Father of spirits. If Satan is our father we will bring death (murder) to the world. This is a most interesting sign - I would ask who is the greatest mass murder of history? Here is a hint - this mass murder killed more people (including men, women and children in Europe than the Black Plauge). Second hint - It was not Hitler.

I would submit that the Anti Christ is a person who leads those willing to kill in the name of G-d for the reason of doctrine. I would also submit that the Anti Christ is demonstrated in the New Testament with those that sought for the crusification of Christ.

The Traveler

[asuccesscoach4you]

There are many scriptures that indicate that the opposition to Christ is not a mater of doctrine but a matter of behavior. Jesus pointed this out in the parable of the "Good Samaritan". In John chapter 8, Jesus tells us that we do the will of our Father be it Satan or the Father of spirits. If Satan is our father we will bring death (murder) to the world. This is a most interesting sign - I would ask who is the greatest mass murder of history? Here is a hint - this mass murder killed more people (including men, women and children in Europe than the Black Plauge). Second hint - It was not Hitler.

I would submit that the Anti Christ is a person who leads those willing to kill in the name of G-d for the reason of doctrine. I would also submit that the Anti Christ is demonstrated in the New Testament with those that sought for the crusification of Christ.

The Traveler

I would say that an antichrist is any person, thing or movement which goes against the teachings of Christ and his church.

[Gerasim]

This is the short version of a lesson I recently offered on the topic.

TWO VIEWS OF THE ANTICHRIST

1. He's an individual who will rule during the end times, and is mentioned in Daniel 7:8, 23-25, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, and in Revelation 13:1-10.

2. It (or they) are theological or doctrinal heresy (error) that has, does, and will continue to occur. See 1 John 2:18, 22; and 2 John 1:7. In particular, the Docetist heresy, that Jesus only apparently suffered--not in actuality, is considered an antichrist teaching (see 1 John 4:1-3).

Personally, both of them seem possible. There will be a capital-A Antichrist during the end times, and there are teachings that are so heterodox as to be considered small-a antichrist in nature.

Questions: Your views on the identity of the Antichrist? If he's a person, what should we look for to be ready? If it's false teaching, what would raise a doctrine to the level of being considered antichrist?

I personaly like the first point of view on those added verses.

The Book Of Mormon tell us much more, particulary in chapters 1 Nephi 13 and 1 Nephi 14 but we must understand through scriptures and history times point of view that the antichrist is a person as a king, leader over his people and his kingdom, state that exist even today.

Both scriptures, the Bible and The Book of Mormon, telling us about visions that prophets have recive, that he the anticrist will come on power. This realy hapend in history times and as it was predicted also, the anticrist lose his ruling kingdom over world kingdoms and his power over them, just before Joseph Smith birth.

Today, the anticrist exist, not as the ruler over kings and kingdoms but he deceive his people and world leaders from his kingdom with false doctrine that he is Christ, make them blind and hard-hearted for living Christ and his true church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

There are evidences that history events comfirm those visions, that prophets have recive, with historical facts.

Sorry, please don't be blind, just read scriptures and compare visions with historical events facts.

[James_Fryman]

I think that the anti christ is just satan. it matches him perfectly and he will be the one to bring about the events fortold in the Book of Revelations. I doubt a human would be able to do such a thing because even Obamas policies arent going so well, and they arent exactly evil like what the anti christ is supposed to do. (just an example, I know he isnt the anti christ but its intresting that 2012 is his last year in office lol)

[Hemidakota]

Gerasim, it would be "spooky" to see and shake the anti-christ hands.

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Edited July 14, 2010 by Hemidakota

[Hemidakota]

This is the short version of a lesson I recently offered on the topic.

TWO VIEWS OF THE ANTICHRIST

1. He's an individual who will rule during the end times, and is mentioned in Daniel 7:8, 23-25, 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, and in Revelation 13:1-10.

2. It (or they) are theological or doctrinal heresy (error) that has, does, and will continue to occur. See 1 John 2:18, 22; and 2 John 1:7. In particular, the Docetist heresy, that Jesus only apparently suffered--not in actuality, is considered an antichrist teaching (see 1 John 4:1-3).

Personally, both of them seem possible. There will be a capital-A Antichrist during the end times, and there are teachings that are so heterodox as to be considered small-a antichrist in nature.

Questions: Your views on the identity of the Antichrist? If he's a person, what should we look for to be ready? If it's false teaching, what would raise a doctrine to the level of being considered antichrist?

On another thread, "...Millennium...", I was going to conclude what constitutes the beast and anti-christ, but, with apprehension, it may offend a few forum members. So I let it go.

I am firm believer, we can know this information if our desire and faith is sincere enough to research it out and allow the Spirit to help guide us to the fact finding evidence and then as GOD for a confirmation.

He is a person and living among us now.

Nephi's own account was only partial account of John's vision and the only part that was allowable to be written to reveal the Mother of Harlots really is. This itself, represents the totality of the seven major religion (theocratic organizations) heads, while the ten horns represents the governments (nations) under the Dragon and the ant-christ control (power). The usage of title reveals the level ungodless it will represent to the masses who wear the mark. Though, something to think about, not all the world will be under their domain or control.

[prisonchaplain]

I think that the anti christ is just satan. it matches him perfectly and he will be the one to bring about the events fortold in the Book of Revelations. I doubt a human would be able to do such a thing because even Obamas policies arent going so well, and they arent exactly evil like what the anti christ is supposed to do. (just an example, I know he isnt the anti christ but its intresting that 2012 is his last year in office lol)

Some speculate that the Antichrist will be a human, but one who gives himself over to satanic influence--eventually becoming completely possessed and controled.

As for the mark...imho those who bear it will do so knowingly and in defiance to God. Atheism will be rejected, for an all-out rejection of God's authority.

Edited July 14, 2010 by prisonchaplain

[Hemidakota]

Reading the account of the apostated Nephites who went over to the Lamanites, ensure they wore a mark to seperate themselves from the brethren. It is not far fetch to see this.

[spamlds]

In my opinion, most people unrealistically anticipate that the "Antichrist" will be a single individual. Beginning with that assumption, they lump a lot of Biblical passages together to make a "horror movie" character. I believe that there are many things that make up what is called the "Antichrist."

The spirit of antichrist was active among the primitive saints. Most particularly, John uses the term to identify a specific threat to the true Church in his day.

1 Jn. 2: 18, 22

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

22 Who is a aliar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1 Jn. 4: 3

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is anot of God: and this is that spirit of bantichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2 Jn. 1: 7

7 For many adeceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Historically and doctrinally, the threat he was referring to was Gnosticism. The Gnostics taught that Jesus was an "aeon" -- a spirit being who appeared to be mortal, who really wasn't. That's why John says to not believe the Gnostic doctrine that Jesus didnt' come in the flesh.

Paul goes into great detail to dispute this teaching in 1 Corinthians 15, testifying powerfully that Jesus indeed did die and was literally resurrected. If not, there was no atonement and our souls would be hopelessly lost. This Gnostic doctrine and Neo-Platonism were responsible in large part for the corruption of the primitive Church and the apostasy.

Some people confuse the "Antichrist" with "The Beast," which is mentioned in Revelation 13:1-5. The Joseph Smith Translation adds the phrase that says the "beast" is in the 'likeness of the kingdoms of the earth." It is a political entity. Perhaps it is the UN or some later successor to the UN. Some people have pointed to the European Common Market, the EU, or other political organization. I don't know what it is, but the JST tells us it is a government of some kind. I tend to think that the "new world order" fills the bill nicely. That's just my own speculation.

Interestingly, this beast has two "incarnations" or versions. It receives a "deadly wound" that is healed. Perhaps a war destroys the credibility of the UN as a peacekeeping organization and it reforms itself again, becoming the second beast that exercises all the power of the first. (Revelation 13)

Along with this beast-kingdom is the "false prophet (Revelation 19:20, 20:10) Again, some people would look for a personage to fulfill this. I would pose the possibility that it, like the beast, is not a person, but a thing. Perhaps the "false prophet" is false religions in the last days. Perhaps it is the "Gaia" cult of global warming. There has been a concerted efforts on the parts of progressive politicians to infiltrate churches, preach "liberation theology" which is Marxist in nature. Perhaps it is secular humanism. Maybe it is the composite representation of all religions that oppose and fight against the restored Zion.

There is another group of people or things referred to as "horns" by Daniel. These could be kingdoms or rulers of kingdoms. The "mouth speaking great things" as one of the horns is described, will receive power to persecute the true Church for a period of 42 months. This period, described alternately as a period 3 1/2 years, "time times and half a time," and 1,260 days in various Bible verses. This period, includes a time when the Gentiles will dominate and tread down the holy city (Jerusalem), when the two witnesses (D&C 77:15, Revelation 11:3), and a time when the "mouth speaking great things" will wear out the saints of the most high. This period ends when Adam comes to Adam-ondi-Ahman preparatory to the Lord's return.

I don't think that the antichrist will be a person. I think it's an influence, a false spirit, that guides the various movements to create a false Zion based on socialism, that governs by force, and opposes the kingdom of God on earth. Revelation 13 talks about false spirits that will go out and deceive the nations from the mouth of the dragon, the mouth of the beast, and the mouth of the false prophet. Those three form a false Godhead, or perhaps more appropriately, a false "First Presidency" that will preside over Satan's kingdom in the end and will seek to destroy the kingdom of God and the saints.

[Moksha]

I would also submit that the Anti Christ is demonstrated in the New Testament with those that sought for the crusification of Christ.

What about those who through obedience, actually performed the Crucifixion?

[Justice]

I believe the term anti-Christ, like other terms, can be applied generally to many, but specifically to one or a few.

I am one who believes there will be an "anti-Christ" in end times.

[Hemidakota]

What is expected and coming very soon: "21-yrs of Hell or Half-Hour of Celestial Time". I expect his reign will last at least seven to ten years and control about nearly two-thirds of the earth.

Soon as I am finished my postulation, I will put up on the board.

[Melissa569]

"I would also submit that the Anti Christ is demonstrated in the New Testament with those that sought for the crusification of Christ."

Well, you also have to consider that we have had over 2000 years worth of Christ's name being passed down as devine to back up our devotion and faith. Those people back then did not. To them, he was just some currently-existing local guy who had a few buddies willing to act the part of "the miraculously healed" in public (which is what we all say about miracle healings today), and who went around contradicting everything the current profits were saying. That's how they saw him, so that's why they killed him.

The truth is, we are no better than they were. Look at all the people today who claim to be able to perform miracles-- We call them "crazy evangelists", "nut jobs", "ya-hoos", etc. And if anybody dares to speak out against our current profits, they get shredded. Maybe we don't nail such people to crosses anymore, but we probably would if our culture and laws were not against it. And even without those harsh punishments, we still have our ways of knocking those people down.

Like it or not, those people back then were just like us.

[Dravin]

I thought communism* had some potential, bar codes seem nicely despotically Communist as does not being able to buy or sell without it and everyone now thinks communism is dead and as it was practiced through the 20th century it was definitely anti-Christ (and God in general). Additionally during hard economic times communism becomes a more appealing philosophy (the Great Depression increased the ranks and sympathy in US of the US Communist Party and the US feared a turn to communism in post-WW2 European devastation thus part of the motivation behind the Marshall Plan).

Though I don't claim this is an original idea, just something I've read about once upon a time and seemed mildly amusing enough that it has thus stuck with me. I'm sure it is not without a host of problems for a WAG.

* Communism as practiced by say Russia or China under Mao. Let's not get derailed on a communism is or isn't evil debate, I'm talking about a specific flavor, the Stalintastic flavor.

Edited July 16, 2010 by Dravin

[Hemidakota]

Good point...

[Moksha]

The anti-christ seems rather like a fanciful ying and yang idea added into the Christian story. Isn't it enough having a Satan without adding this in too?

[ruthiechan]

Perhaps it is the "Gaia" cult of global warming.

Or maybe it's all the people who say we can do whatever we want to our planet without consequence. Seriously, this comment is highly offensive.

[bytor2112]

Perhaps it is the "Gaia" cult of global warming

Bingo!

[ruthiechan]

Bingo!

Bytor, seriously, what's up with that? I just posted about it being offensive, and you're all bingo? So not cool.

[JohnnyRudick]

Bytor, seriously, what's up with that? I just posted about it being offensive, and you're all bingo? So not cool.

Yeah.

Quit running down "Gaia".

She has feelings too:cool:

[Moksha]

Yeah.

Quit running down "Gaia".

She has feelings too:cool:

Good point. While Johnny Rudick and I may look like we are

chasing Father Time, we also have respect for Mother Nature!

[dorave]

YouTube - W. Cleon Skousen - The History of Secret Combinations Part 1

[Matthew0059]

"The English word Christ is from a Greek word meaning anointed, and is the equivalent of Messiah, which is from Hebrew and Aramaic term meaning anointed." (Bible Dictionary; 'Aniointed One')

Anointed to what? To be the salvation of mankind; the One who has "trodden the wine-press alone" (D&C 133:50) and who has brought eternal life to those who exercise faith on HIS name and accept HIS ordinances. Anointed to being the only one who can bring eternal spiritual life to mankind.

What then is the anti-christ? One who either actively fights against this anointed One, or who offers a different path to salvation (both are the same thing). The spirit of the anti-Christ fuels the false precepts, religions, and philosophies of the world that claim to offer spiritual salvation through collectivism, social justice, environmental justice, a great and hidden Secret, or any other means that are not CHRIST'S.

Is there an actual Anti-Christ (an actual person)? I refer the reader to Hemidakota's earlier post on the matter, and encourage you, my friend, to go before the LORD and find out for yourself.

[Matthew0059]

What is expected and coming very soon: "21-yrs of Hell or Half-Hour of Celestial Time". I expect his reign will last at least seven to ten years and control about nearly two-thirds of the earth.

Soon as I am finished my postulation, I will put up on the board.

PLEASE message me when you do so- I am very interested in reading it.