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#1 daplautz

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 03:28 PM

I have heard some testify that all of us who are in the latter days are the Noble and Great Ones spoken of in Abraham 3:22-23. Yet others will say that although many of us are probably among the Noble and Great Ones, that title is still only applied to those who were foreordained as such. Even though the title is rather insignificant because it is between the individual and the Lord, what are your thoughts?

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 04:06 PM

The Noble and Great Ones are many, but not all in this time. They are the faithful servants of the Father; those that willing go where they are sent. When He speaks through them, His Word is felt, even by those that would make a mockery of all that is Holy. You may know them, not by their outward appearances, or their sweet words. Rather, by the Spirit, they are made manifest, if they so choose to make themselves known unto you. In their words, not all will accept them, for they speak for the Father, and those that love lies do not accept Him, His Son, or His Truth. They ultimately are purposed, to prepare way, for the Day of the Lord.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 04:10 PM

I have heard some testify that all of us who are in the latter days are the Noble and Great Ones spoken of in Abraham 3:22-23. Yet others will say that although many of us are probably among the Noble and Great Ones, that title is still only applied to those who were foreordained as such. Even though the title is rather insignificant because it is between the individual and the Lord, what are your thoughts?

I don't think it matters in the least. We are what and who we are.


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 05:18 PM

I have heard some testify that all of us who are in the latter days are the Noble and Great Ones spoken of in Abraham 3:22-23. Yet others will say that although many of us are probably among the Noble and Great Ones, that title is still only applied to those who were foreordained as such. Even though the title is rather insignificant because it is between the individual and the Lord, what are your thoughts?

As far as I care, its everyone who threw their lot in with the Lord when push came to shove.
Even those who reject their second estate (ie their obedience to God in this life and the life to come) and become sons of perdition will still be greater than than those who rebelled in the war in heaven.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 05:27 PM

The Boise State Broncos. :)

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 06:18 PM

Abraham being one of the noble and great ones kind of scotches the notion that it is entirely or even predominantly to do with these latter days.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 06:33 PM

As far as I care, its everyone who threw their lot in with the Lord when push came to shove.
Even those who reject their second estate (ie their obedience to God in this life and the life to come) and become sons of perdition will still be greater than than those who rebelled in the war in heaven.


Galatians 3:1-29 
Our Great Potential - Ensign May 1977 - ensign
Jeremiah 11:1-23 
Doctrine and Covenants 131:1-3 
Doctrine and Covenants 40:1-3 

To some extent, this is correct. We all must understand, it isn't our past choices that hold us entitled to any position, before God. We may be sieved, rejecting our baptismal covenants, male or female. For men, the Priesthood covenants are even stricter. He decides, not us, what position that is. As unpleasant or harsh as it sounds; there is no nobility or greatness in wholeheartedly rejecting or holding levity against any of His commandments or any covenants He has with any of us. The gospels aren't only of grace [oh how great it is!], we are also held to our words and works, with Him. I am that I am, after Elohim, who is that was, is, and is to be.

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 07:33 PM

The Boise State Broncos. :)


Okay that just blew our friendship. :P

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Posted 24 April 2012 - 08:11 PM

Hahaha! Who are you for? Oregon? TCU?

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 08:46 AM

My wife.

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 08:59 AM

D&C 138:55 I observed that they were also among the noble and great ones who were chosen in the beginning to be rulers in the Church of God.


It doesn't seem that anyone who accepted Christ in the pre-mortal world would qualify. Not even all who were valiant enough to be born in the House of Israel qualify here. It's referring to "rulers in the Church of God".

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Posted 25 April 2012 - 09:01 AM

And I think this DOES matter. Despite what I wrote above, anyone here could be of of the noble and great ones. And it's good to ponder that.

So, sisters, what about us? What about you and me? Is it possible that we were among the noble and great?
I have to tell you, I believe it is more than possible. Knowing Who You Are--and Who You Have Always Been



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Posted 29 April 2012 - 11:09 AM

I'm reminded of a few early members of the church who were called to positions of leadership in the Church. Though previously one of the "great ones" they nevertheless sinned, refused to repent and apostatized. Though called to do great things, they failed to do so.

I know that I've seriously desired to know more fully who I was. Since my actions in the past shape who I am today, who was I in the pre-existence? How has that made me who I am today? Was I a righteous soul who fought valiantly for the Lord during the war in heaven? Knowing that the Lord saved some of his most righteous children for this day, was I one of them?

Was I the man then that I'm desiring, seeking and striving to become now?

Why do I even ask these questions? Knowing as I do that I am a beloved child of God with the potential to become like he is, why do I desire to greatly to know?

I guess it's partly due to the desire to know where I fit in his plans. The desire to know what I was sent here to do and accomplish.

Yet if we all were such great ones then does that not make the current state of the world all that much more tragic? Does not the distance so many have fallen make it evoke that much more sorrow?

I don't have the answer to your question but I do know this. We can't rely on the righteousness in our past estate. Our past works are no guarantee of our future.

Greater men and woman then us have fallen and we must be vigilant that it doesn't happen to us as well. No matter who we were and what we've accomplished so far, we can still fall and loose it all.

Perhaps the question isn't whether you or I were "great ones" then but rather whether or not we will put forth the effort to become such here and now.

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 02:01 PM

ok..........I will throw in another thought:

my oldest daughter has and still is striving to do things perfectly; when she was a child,
this had times of driving the family crazy......but when she got her patriarchal blessing, it
said she finished her first estate perfectly......the light went on for me as her mom at that
moment.....'oh, that's why she wants to be perfect and also wants everyone around her
to be perfect too'

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 07:28 PM

I'll go with Usirwer for 1000 Alex.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 09:58 AM

ok..........I will throw in another thought:

my oldest daughter has and still is striving to do things perfectly; when she was a child,
this had times of driving the family crazy......but when she got her patriarchal blessing, it
said she finished her first estate perfectly......the light went on for me as her mom at that
moment.....'oh, that's why she wants to be perfect and also wants everyone around her
to be perfect too'


Who in this world did not finish their first estate perfectly? By definition, "keeping our first estate" is to have finished it perfectly.

#17 pntkl

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 10:27 AM

Who in this world did not finish their first estate perfectly? By definition, "keeping our first estate" is to have finished it perfectly.


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When a Patriarchal blessing is given, it is for that individual. Interpretations of the meaning therein aren't fully discernible to those that were in attendance or privileged to know of it. When it comes to perfection of the first estate, we all had differing levels of spiritual maturity. It was so then, now, and will be in times to come.

Just because we weren't veiled, at that time, it doesn't mean we all attained perfection simply by accepting His plan. In fact, there was a third that would not fight, yet they still completed that estate, and can be found here. Which are perfect, those that fought or those that chose neutrality? Neither were, by necessity. Those that were in whole obedience, to our Father in heaven [for what He asked of each of us], they can be considered perfected, in their first estate. Just as we are allowed choices now, even then, we still had choice. So will we, beyond these times. With it, so goes the idea of perfection, by whatever capacity we have to understand it.

Who stands in authority, to know the answer to what the Patriarch was directed to say? By the same, who stands in authority to know perfection? Only a few.

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 11:34 AM

Who in this world did not finish their first estate perfectly? By definition, "keeping our first estate" is to have finished it perfectly.


I don't think that's the definition.
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 11:41 AM

I don't think that's the definition.


Please provide your correct definition then.

#20 HiJolly

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Posted 30 April 2012 - 11:46 AM

Please provide your correct definition then.

Ss, that's not how it should work. You are the one that made a claim about definitions. Please show a source or *some* sort of supporting evidence for your claim. Thanks.

I have to admit I've never heard such a thing, and am quite curious myself.

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