Porissocri Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Delighting in God's law and being subject to this same law means being under the law and out of grace? Those who are under grace can have these attitudes to God's law? What about Paul? Was he under grace or under the law?Paul, on Romans 6:14-15, gives us insight that is no longer under the Law, but under grace and, at the same time, on Romans 7:22,25 and Romans 8:7 demonstrates the behavior and attitudes mentioned in the first questions... Does Paul contradicts himself in his words or delighting in God's law and being subject to it don't take me from being under grace?Is being under the grace the same thing as not being subject to God's law? If it is, how to explain that this attitude is of those who live under the carnal mind as we read in Romans 8:7, that it's enmity against God? Sorry if I made any mistakes, English is not my first language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdfxdb Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Gods law must be executed upon all who sin. Grace is given to those who truly repent of their sins. Our lives must be lived in such a way that we strive to keep Gods law continually. Where we fall short we repent, and continue forward. This is only made possible through the atonement of Jesus Christ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane_Doe Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 If anything, I would say that being in Christ causes a person to rejoice in His ways and laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) The Atonement is necessary, not because there is sin, but because there is the POSSIBILITY of sin. That's what grace is about - to bring imperfect souls to the presence of the perfect God (where nothing unclean can dwell) when such imperfection is made due to the lack of perfect knowledge of the laws of God. So that, it is not necessary for us to have perfect knowledge of the laws of God. We are not judged according to things we don't know. Rather, we are judged by what we do with what knowledge we posses, the rest is forgiven through the Atonement of Christ made possible by the grace of God. Edited November 12, 2014 by anatess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmarch Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) Delighting in God's law and being subject to this same law means being under the law and out of grace? Those who are under grace can have these attitudes to God's law? What about Paul? Was he under grace or under the law?Paul, on Romans 6:14-15, gives us insight that is no longer under the Law, but under grace and, at the same time, on Romans 7:22,25 and Romans 8:7 demonstrates the behavior and attitudes mentioned in the first questions... Does Paul contradicts himself in his words or delighting in God's law and being subject to it don't take me from being under grace?Is being under the grace the same thing as not being subject to God's law? If it is, how to explain that this attitude is of those who live under the carnal mind as we read in Romans 8:7, that it's enmity against God? Sorry if I made any mistakes, English is not my first language.I'm LDS so i'm not a traditional Nicene christian.. but here is my understanding or as best as i can explain in a few short sentences. hopefully it will help you find an explanation to your quandary.without grace there would have been no law. if there was no law we could not be judged good or evil, if we cannot be good or evil we cannot be like God or Christ, and hence be with them.grace is behind everything that God does for us or gives us (including being allowed every breath you take and every heartbeat you're allowed to have). It's more of a foundational thing upon which things are built.the Law allows men to prove themselves as well as allows God to remove wickedness or ungodlyness. The Laws also allow God to sort individuals to where and what is best for them.because of our imperfection we will never be able to fulfill the law 100% which is why grace is so important. But if a person loves God and attains that love and grace they will love to fulfill the law (and will change their ways to be more in line with his laws, ie, repenting), and since their hearts are in the right place God cna be confident that eventually that such an individual can be perfected in christ, and Christ's mercy can work upon them.anyways I hope that makes a little sense.just my two cents worth. Edited November 21, 2014 by Blackmarch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Blackmarch is right. Grace doesn't contradict the law. It's not in conflict with the law. It balances the law. It works within the law. The law is the law. It's factual. It simply is. It amount to something like: If I lie to you you won't trust me any more. The goodness of God and His grace and Atonement make it possible for the law to be satisfied and for God's great mercy to come to those who choose to accept him, repent of their sins, and take up their crosses and follow Him. Mercy doesn't rob justice. Christ paid the utmost farthing for our sins. He PAID for them. That is the key. Justice is satisfied because He did this for us. In return, He makes our path plain. Come follow me. If ye love me, keep my commandments. Feed my sheep. Etc. Vort 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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