Deplorable behaviour!

[CaleB]

I would have assumed that a sister of a missionary would be strongly ethical - that being heavy on mercy and compassion.

 

I was wondering what your position was on this blog?

 

This person traps an animal with a glue trap, and after discussion of how to kill it, decides it would be a good idea to burn it alive. She laughs afterwards and celebrates with a pizza.

 

How would you deal with something like this if you were a colleague, or if you were a missionary leader? I would have assumed someone who devotes their time helping people would be merciful and kind, and yet I see nothing but sadism here.

Edited December 20, 2014 by CaleB

[yjacket]

Really?? Not sure if serious. And this is why we can't have nice things in life.  I'd say to the OP, don't be so judgmental; talk about blowing something way out of proportion.

 

I see sisters who have no clue how to get rid of a rat, trying to get rid of a varmint who was probably eating food, getting into things and generally causing problems.

 

I've had rats and mice in my house before and there is nothing I wouldn't do to get those suckers out- they leave poo all over the place, stink it up, get into food, destroy things.

 

I don't see one evidence of sadism, just some very stressed out sister missionaries trying to get rid of a varmint. Now, if she were going all over town randomly lighting dogs and cats on fire that might be one thing. . . but killing a rat . . . .seriously??

 

Lighten up Francis!

[CaleB]

She immolated a live animal - a mammal, no less - when it was in no way necessary for the purpose of killing it. And then bragged about it. She was doing more than "killing a rat", she was torturing a helpless animal. What is wrong with a normal mouse trap, why must they burn the animal alive? Ask yourself that question. What she did was indefensibly wrong.

 

Maybe you didn't notice, but there's a clear distinction between killing something out of necessity and torturing something then bragging on a blog about it.

[estradling75]

I don't agree with how the sister handled it... But I don't see her blog as bragging or boastful.

 

What I read is a blog of a young woman dealing for the first time the very messy and disgusting issue of pest control.  Like many people doing things for the first time she did not handle it well.

 

Hopefully her next time will be handled better and with less screaming.

[CaleB]

See, I've had mice in my house before too. I wanted to get rid of them quickly, burning them alive or mutilating them were not even in my mind as a method! How could they be an option?? For someone to actively discuss how to kill something, and either take their time to burn or mutilate the animal... it's torture! Rat or no rat!

 

They even had a laugh after and pizza to celebrate. No remorse for her actions at all, like it were a causal thing to do! And one wonders why I think her motives were questionable...

[yjacket]

She immolated a live animal - a mammal, no less - when it was in no way necessary for the purpose of killing it. And then bragged about it. She was doing more than "killing a rat", she was torturing a helpless animal. What is wrong with a normal mouse trap, why must they burn the animal alive? Ask yourself that question. What she did was indefensibly wrong.

 

Maybe you didn't notice, but there's a clear distinction between killing something out of necessity and torturing something then bragging on a blog about it.

 

Do you have bigger problems to worry about or do you just like picking on people? You are making a way bigger deal about this.

 

1) She's in some foreign country that probably has rat problems.

2) She's prob. never dealt with this before.

3) B/c she's never dealt with it before she prob. never thought to actually buy a rat trap . . . if they even have them available at the store . . .she's not in the US of A.

4) She's a female. . . .if you didn't know, women in general get really freaked out by rodents.

5) Freaked out women do not think especially well as evidence by her actions.

6) They have a rat under a laundry basket that possibly carries disease that needs to be killed.  How do you propose killing it? They don't have a gun to shoot it (I'm sure that would be too inhuman for you though). How are you going to take a knife and kill it? Lift up the basket, have it get loose run around?

7) They had a rodent, and successfully killed it b/c it was causing problems; again unless you've had rodent problems you have no clue at how bad it can get.

8) I'm sure the next time, she'll figure out a better way to handle the situation.

9) What I see is a young individual with little real world experience trying to solve a problem, I don't see anything about an evil sadist sister.

 

Finally, how did you get a hold of that blog?  Are you anti or do you have something against missionaries. Do you go looking for things just to smear people with.

 

I'm absolutely sure you've done much worse things in your life; we all do things that with experience we'd do differently, but those things make the greatest stories and it doesn't mean we are evil, sadistic monsters.  If we can't laugh at ourselves we are way too serious.

 

Again, stop trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, pick the beam out of your own eye before looking at the mote of your sister and for pete's sake lighten up.

[Vort]

I don't think its as outrageous as you're making it out to be. She was not actually giving a "how-to" seminar; she was relating a (for her) scary experience. I'm not sure what "burn it to death" meant, but the dead rat didn't look all that burned. Maybe it just wasn't a good picture, I don't know.

 

I agree with estradling. To me, it reads like a humorous, self-mocking account of pest control by a young woman with no experience in such things. I agree it's kind of sad, and hopefully if her future holds more rat-killing, she'll learn to dispatch the poor animals in a quicker and more humane method. But I think you're making too much of this story.

[Suzie]

I would have assumed that a sister of a missionary would be strongly ethical - that being heavy on mercy and compassion.

 

I was wondering what your position was on this blog?

 

This person traps an animal with a glue trap, and after discussion of how to kill it, decides it would be a good idea to burn it alive. She laughs afterwards and celebrates with a pizza.

 

How would you deal with something like this if you were a colleague, or if you were a missionary leader? I would have assumed someone who devotes their time helping people would be merciful and kind, and yet I see nothing but sadism here.

 

I didn't want to share my opinion until after reading the blog post.  I think I can understand what you mean and I agree to a certain extent. The way she handled it was wrong, but again based on that post,  she seemed so clueless...the whole post is way too teeny-bopper for my liking to be honest and quite irritating, so perhaps we should cut her some slack, she will grow and know better next time (hopefully).

[Just_A_Guy]

Mark this one for the record books . . . I agree with Suzie.  :)

Edited December 20, 2014 by Just_A_Guy

[Dravin]

Just saying you laughed afterwards is kinda ambiguous. Was is nervous laughter that a tense experience was over with? Or maniacal laughter over the joy of burning an animal? I'm kinda inclined to give the benefit of the doubt, for much the same reasons Suzie does,  that it was the former rather than the latter, which makes the fact that she laughed about it less distressing than it might be made out to be. The use of what ever chemical was at hand reads as desperation and confusion rather than some sort of intentional torture. Which leaves us with burning the rat, which while a poor choice was probably done out of a desire to not get close to it rather than sadism. The short of it? Scared, confused, inexperienced women making poor choices rather than sadistic serial killers in the making. I see the regrettable decisions that you do CaleB but not the malice you seem to want to ascribe.

 

If I was in a hypothetical position to counsel them I'd tell them that they either need to put their big girl pants on or buy snap traps in the future (though probably not phrased exactly like that) if they can't muster up the gumption to dispatch it themselves quickly and cleanly.

Edited December 20, 2014 by Dravin

[lonetree]

I think it was the burning of a live creature that is the issue for the poster. It also seems there was no reason for that. And the bragging about it. So, deplorable behaviour? Yeah. (I am in favour of slaughtering raccoons in this part of the world; which are definitely Pests and is against the law. But to burn them alive and make the occasion for some sort of celebration? Uh, no)

Edited December 20, 2014 by lonetree

[Vort]

I doubt they were celebrating the immolation of a live rat. Rather, they were celebrating having figured out a way to take care of the problem.

 

I'm pretty sure we all agree that burning a rat to death is a bad thing. The difference of opinion is assigning evil thoughts or motivations to the missionary.

 

Actually, I think this is a good illustration of how fundamentally good and decent people can do horrific things, based largely on their own ignornace and fear.

[Suzie]

Mark this one for the record books . . . I agree with Suzie.  :)

 

Must be the Christmas Spirit.   But I marked this one for the record book a.k.a my signature. No time for edits JAG.

[CaleB]

Do you have bigger problems to worry about or do you just like picking on people? You are making a way bigger deal about this.

 

1) She's in some foreign country that probably has rat problems.

2) She's prob. never dealt with this before.

3) B/c she's never dealt with it before she prob. never thought to actually buy a rat trap . . . if they even have them available at the store . . .she's not in the US of A.

4) She's a female. . . .if you didn't know, women in general get really freaked out by rodents.

5) Freaked out women do not think especially well as evidence by her actions.

6) They have a rat under a laundry basket that possibly carries disease that needs to be killed.  How do you propose killing it? They don't have a gun to shoot it (I'm sure that would be too inhuman for you though). How are you going to take a knife and kill it? Lift up the basket, have it get loose run around?

7) They had a rodent, and successfully killed it b/c it was causing problems; again unless you've had rodent problems you have no clue at how bad it can get.

8) I'm sure the next time, she'll figure out a better way to handle the situation.

9) What I see is a young individual with little real world experience trying to solve a problem, I don't see anything about an evil sadist sister.

 

Finally, how did you get a hold of that blog?  Are you anti or do you have something against missionaries. Do you go looking for things just to smear people with.

 

I'm absolutely sure you've done much worse things in your life; we all do things that with experience we'd do differently, but those things make the greatest stories and it doesn't mean we are evil, sadistic monsters.  If we can't laugh at ourselves we are way too serious.

 

Again, stop trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, pick the beam out of your own eye before looking at the mote of your sister and for pete's sake lighten up.

Picking on people? She burned an animal alive FFS. If anything I am criticising her behaviour! It's got nothing to do with her being a missionary, it's her burning an animal to death. It's disgusting! She could have got something very heavy or hard, like a shovel and hit it over the head. Lights out. Burning the animal alive is excessive, unnecessary and cruel. I don't care if she is a woman, that is NO EXCUSE to torch an animal! Never thought to buy a rat trap... what the hell? She's an adult, she couldn't possibly be that stupid and ignorant not to know what a mouse trap is!

 

And I've never, ever done something as bad as burn an animal alive or worse. If I did that I'd be ashamed of myself. This woman obviously isn't because she showed no remorse. Seems like you're just making excuses for her because "it's just a rat". Might be a pest but it's still a living creature that can feel pain, torturing it like that is NOT ON. If you're going to kill any animal DO IT QUICKLY AND HUMANELY.

 

If you had read the blog, they actually discussed its fate. One of the options include MUTILATING it. You don't do that, and you don't burn something alive by accident, or as a last resort measure. Sounds like they didn't give a shit how they killed it no matter how painful and unnecessary. And that's exactly why I am saying it's not so innocent as you think it is!

 

And yeah, I'm taking this seriously. I hate animal abuse, and I think torturing a rat with fire is absolutely cruel and disgusting. You might not, but as someone who has been in a burn ward before, I felt sorry for that animal, that it had to suffer from the actions of someone stupid and inhumane. Yes, it's called empathy. Something YOU seem to be lacking. What is did was WRONG, are you seriously trying to argue it's OK to burn a little rodent alive???

Edited December 21, 2014 by CaleB

[Palerider]

I have no issues with getting rid of a mouse or rat....not sure burning it is the way to go.

[jerome1232]

What do you want us to do CaleB, have a forum conference where we all shake our fingers of scorn at her? I can see how maybe in the heat of the moment, I have hairspray and I see match, I might opt for that as a monstrosity was about to escape my trap.

So I have more experience than her, and visions of a flaming rodent running across the carpet would stop that thought before it had time to form. But it's pretty dang clear that she didn't torch an animal because she's some sadistic sicko.

Get a firm grip on reality and wake up.

Edited December 21, 2014 by jerome1232

[yjacket]

Picking on people? She burned an animal alive FFS. If anything I am criticising her behaviour! It's got nothing to do with her being a missionary, it's her burning an animal to death. It's disgusting! She could have got something very heavy or hard, like a shovel and hit it over the head. Lights out. Burning the animal alive is excessive, unnecessary and cruel. I don't care if she is a woman, that is NO EXCUSE to torch an animal! Never thought to buy a rat trap... what the hell? She's an adult, she couldn't possibly be that stupid and ignorant not to know what a mouse trap is!

 

And I've never, ever done something as bad as burn an animal alive or worse. If I did that I'd be ashamed of myself. This woman obviously isn't because she showed no remorse. Seems like you're just making excuses for her because "it's just a rat". Might be a pest but it's still a living creature that can feel pain, torturing it like that is NOT ON. If you're going to kill any animal DO IT QUICKLY AND HUMANELY.

 

If you had read the blog, they actually discussed its fate. One of the options include MUTILATING it. You don't do that, and you don't burn something alive by accident, or as a last resort measure. Sounds like they didn't give a shit how they killed it no matter how painful and unnecessary. And that's exactly why I am saying it's not so innocent as you think it is!

 

And yeah, I'm taking this seriously. I hate animal abuse, and I think torturing a rat with fire is absolutely cruel and disgusting. You might not, but as someone who has been in a burn ward before, I felt sorry for that animal, that it had to suffer from the actions of someone stupid and inhumane. Yes, it's called empathy. Something YOU seem to be lacking. What is did was WRONG, are you seriously trying to argue it's OK to burn a little rodent alive???

 

No, I have a problem with self-righteous individuals who place animals above humans.  You have all of 8 posts here and 4 of those posts are about a young (19 year old) not fully mature LDS missionary young women who took 18 months out of her live to dedicate it to God and how she did something stupid.  Please, give me a break.  I'm sure if any missionary listed all the dumb things they did as a missionary you'd hate them too.  

 

Since you are so full of self-righteous indignation, I'm sure at 19 you were the epitome of sainthood, virtue and of all things holy.

 

Me . . . lacking empathy, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.  You have more empathy for a rat than your fellow-man.

 

No, I'm not arguing that it is okay to burn an animal, what I am saying is that I wasn't there and that I'm not going to make snap, quick, judgments (as you seem to be so apt to do) about what a missionary wrote on a blog (missionaries and blogs, probably another not so smart decision).

 

Personally, if you want snap quick judgement, I say you've got some axe to grind.  How in the world did you ever find out about her blog?  Since missionaries are only out 18-24 months, they can't really develop huge followers.  Google isn't going to pick up this type of blog, you've got to actively search for it.  So my snap, self-righteous judgement is that you are either a) someone who personally knows her and dislikes her or b ) someone looking for a fight with LDS members.

 

To both of those I say, grow up and learn to have a little kindness and forgiveness for your fellow man.  Yes people do stupid things and the way they went about this was stupid, but it wasn't just her, she's got a companion with her (and it sounds like there were several other sisters with her. . . .I don't see you castigating them as evil sadist individuals who either passively let it happen or were active participates).

 

This is much ado about nothing and if anything sheds more light on your personality, lack of empathy for your fellow human being, a sister.

 

Now if she's going around kicking rocks at dogs, squishing them, etc. and in general being mean to them then you might have a case.  I see a sister who had a rat problem and tried to take care of it the best way she could (and didn't do the greatest job at it).

 

End of story, too much digital memory has been wasted on this utterly pointless topic.

Edited December 21, 2014 by yjacket

[Leah]

CaleB....what's your real goal in posting this?

This is not the only LDS board you've joined for the express purpose of talking about his incident.

You are not LDS. If your real concern is animal rights, why are you not posting on those kinds of boards instead of LDS ones?

Is your real intention to make the church and its members look bad?

[Guest MormonGator]

OP,with all due respect, I think you are over doing it a bit. I say that as a member of the ASPCA and a vegetarian. 

 

I don't like what she did either, but let's put this in perspective

Edited December 21, 2014 by MormonGator

[Guest]

CaleB, what does FFS mean?

[Mahone]

CaleB, what does FFS mean?

It's swearing.

[Palerider]

Really?? Not sure if serious. And this is why we can't have nice things in life.  I'd say to the OP, don't be so judgmental; talk about blowing something way out of proportion.

 

I see sisters who have no clue how to get rid of a rat, trying to get rid of a varmint who was probably eating food, getting into things and generally causing problems.

 

I've had rats and mice in my house before and there is nothing I wouldn't do to get those suckers out- they leave poo all over the place, stink it up, get into food, destroy things.

 

I don't see one evidence of sadism, just some very stressed out sister missionaries trying to get rid of a varmint. Now, if she were going all over town randomly lighting dogs and cats on fire that might be one thing. . . but killing a rat . . . .seriously??

 

Lighten up Francis!

I caught the Lighten up Francis........LOL!!!!!!!!

[Guest MormonGator]

CaleB, what does FFS mean?

Curse words. 

[Guest]

Classy. 

 

Boy, am I glad the internet wasn't so mainstream when I was young(er) and stupid(er).

[Guest MormonGator]

Classy. 

 

Boy, am I glad the internet wasn't so mainstream when I was young(er) and stupid(er).

Amen! That and video phones!