Could The Day Come Soon? Will We Be Ready?


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ISIS and other terror attacks have been hitting soft targets such as Malls and Schools in other countries. Also with Fort Hood same type of attacks. When it comes to U.S. In a big way...will our Gov 't or us the citizens be ready. Not just ex-cops and their sons...but everyone, everywhere?

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ISIS and other terror attacks have been hitting soft targets such as Malls and Schools in other countries. Also with Fort Hood same type of attacks. When it comes to U.S. In a big way...will our Gov 't or us the citizens be ready. Not just ex-cops and their sons...but everyone, everywhere?

 

The terror attacks thus far have been the results of idiots and fools - both in the planning and execution.   It is my opinion that in general responses have been moronic, paranoid and ineffective.  As long as morons and idiots are in charge I see no other possible outcome other than an eventual global war (nuclear likely).  It is our history and possible human destiny.  The most destructive force in mankind is born in the confusion that somehow revenge is a kind of justice.

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I've read headlines moving down my news feed but otherwise I am totally in the dark as to what's going on out there. Seeing as none of it is in my control, I will just focus on the going-ons in my little bubble, and be hopeful there's still just enough humanity out there. But when mankind finally wipes themselves out - whoever is to blame won't matter - we won't be missed I'm sure.

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The terror attacks thus far have been the results of idiots and fools - both in the planning and execution.   It is my opinion that in general responses have been moronic, paranoid and ineffective.  As long as morons and idiots are in charge I see no other possible outcome other than an eventual global war (nuclear likely).  It is our history and possible human destiny.  The most destructive force in mankind is born in the confusion that somehow revenge is a kind of justice.

They are more organized than many think and one day they will hit one or more of our schools, malls and Gov't buildings...this will put and puts them in all our bubbles. :(
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They are more organized than many think and one day they will hit one or more of our schools, malls and Gov't buildings...this will put and puts them in all our bubbles. :(

 

I have had personal interface with government officials (including FBI) and outlined how I could personally - by myself, carry out an attack on the USA that would result in the deaths of 15 to 30 million citizens.  I did this out of concern because I do not see any way possibility of preventing such an attack - especially if carried out and well planned by a dedicated, funded and intent organization. 

 

I would refer to your above statement and add that if terrorist had a collective aggregate intelligent quotient above room temperature they would realize there are much better, easier and softer targets than schools, malls and government buildings.  I do not want to say any more and give idiots any more ideas. 

 

My personal greatest concern is that G-d, who so protects this nation, would respect a citizenry wish to no longer be a nation under G-d and allow our enemies the means to bring us to regret such a ludacris desire.

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I have had personal interface with government officials (including FBI) and outlined how I could personally - by myself, carry out an attack on the USA that would result in the deaths of 15 to 30 million citizens.  I did this out of concern because I do not see any way possibility of preventing such an attack - especially if carried out and well planned by a dedicated, funded and intent organization. 

 

I would refer to your above statement and add that if terrorist had a collective aggregate intelligent quotient above room temperature they would realize there are much better, easier and softer targets than schools, malls and government buildings.  I do not want to say any more and give idiots any more ideas. 

 

My personal greatest concern is that G-d, who so protects this nation, would respect a citizenry wish to no longer be a nation under G-d and allow our enemies the means to bring us to regret such a ludacris desire.

We need to fear both, or maybe three.
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The greatest threat to personal freedom and security comes not from outside but from inside.

 

I do not fear ISIS nor any other terrorist organization. The vast majority of "terror" attacks thwarted have been from individuals who could not possibly carry out anything of the sort without the aid of the FBI in a sting operation.

 

If ISIS does attack inside the US, the US will have no one to blame but itself.  Who provided the weapons and money to ISIS? The US.  ISIS is a splinter from Al-Qaeda in Syria. Al-Qaeda in Syria was funded by the US several years ago to overthrow Assad.  Bengazi was all about gun-running and money-running.  How many billions of dollars went missing in both Syria?  Does anyone pay attention to the actual pictures of ISIS with their weapons . . . M1-Abram tanks, US military equipment.  How did they get so strong so fast?  US money and weapons.

 

No the US helps foment it's own external monsters . . .  but the greatest threat to personal liberty and peace is not an external group, it is the internal laws, police and military. Unfortunately we become so conditioned to the situation that we can't see what is occurring in front of our eyes.  A military lock-down of Boston??? in America, prior to 2000 that was the stuff of movies (see The Siege).

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Very true.... To think otherwise is almost denial.

 

Someone will certainly be murdered today in the US, to think otherwise is denial.

 

The amount of "normal" murders will vastly outweigh the number of murders from terrorist actions. It is what we do with that knowledge that is important.

 

Some people believe in order to stop regular murders we must eliminate all guns. Just like some people believe in order to stop terrorist murders we must give up freedoms that 20 years ago were given.

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Someone will certainly be murdered today in the US, to think otherwise is denial.

 

The amount of "normal" murders will vastly outweigh the number of murders from terrorist actions. It is what we do with that knowledge that is important.

 

Some people believe in order to stop regular murders we must eliminate all guns. Just like some people believe in order to stop terrorist murders we must give up freedoms that 20 years ago were given.

It's just a matter of time and they will hit ...
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It's just a matter of time and they will hit ...

 

Who is "they" . . . there always has been and always will be bad actors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#1800.E2.80.9399

 

"Terrorism" has been going on for a long time, it's not unique to ISIS nor is it unique to the time period in which we live.

 

I honestly do not in the least bit fear or worry about terrorism, just like I don't worry or fear the least bit about being killed.

If I am in bad parts of town, I take precaution, but it's not something I am concerned about.

 

I am most concerned with the reaction.  In 1995 the OKC bombing happens and the city isn't put on a military lockdown.  2013 Boston Marathon bombing and Boston looks like city under martial law out of a sci-fi movie.  Governments have and always will cause more threat to peace, security, and liberty than any 2-bit bad actor.

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We are already preparing for this eventuality.  Some PD's are ahead of others.  Fortunately our agency, while not the speartip in this mentality, is certainly very much at the front end of being ready to counter these people when they attack, if our AO is the target.

 

And how many of the individuals from the PD across the US realize that they are not in a war-zone.  How many current cops are former military who served multiple tours in the middle east?  One of the worst aspect about the wars is they have trained a generation of cops in a military mindset . . . who bring the war back to the states, mostly against their own people.

 

Everyone is a threat, everyone is an enemy or potential enemy, PD use the term it's like a "war zone" out there.  No it's not, they've just brought the military mindset back home.  Tanks, grenade launchers, etc.  Really? Those things are necessary?  Right only if one believes the US is a war-zone.  Crime is at an all-time low in this country and police forces bring in SWAT teams in the middle of the night to bust some low-life druggie, blow up kids and innocent people.

 

If this is the mindset of "being prepared" then I want none of it.  Will murders happen? Yes.  Will some idiot decide to blow something up? Sure.  Does that mean in order to stop it we have to invade everyone's privacy and become a fascist country.  No.

 

What exactly are you preparing for . . . some disasters cannot be prepared for . . . . it is just part of life.  Like a nuclear war in the 1950s . . . it wasn't going to happen; simply put it wasn't and it was a huge over reaction to events in the day. Fearmongering, so those in the government can have more money, more equipment, more toys to prevent the "inevitable", that never quit seems to happen.

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What exactly are you preparing for . .

 

Try reading the OP.  Maybe that will answer your question.

 

The rest of your whining is the tired old copblock garbage and not worth responding to.  You've already exposed yourself as hostile to law enforcement, so further discussion is impossible as you have already shown to be unreasonable on the topic.

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Try reading the OP.  Maybe that will answer your question.

 

The rest of your whining is the tired old copblock garbage and not worth responding to.  You've already exposed yourself as hostile to law enforcement, so further discussion is impossible as you have already shown to be unreasonable on the topic.

 

And yet you did respond :-).  I did not make it clear.  My question of what are you preparing for was not about a terror attack but to having tanks and grenade launchers.  You need tanks and grenade launchers to prepare for a terrorist attack?  Really, that's a new one on me.

 

Contrary to your belief, I'm not anti-cop, I'm anti militarized war-fighting cops.  Police provide a very valuable function; but the militarization of police forces does no good.

 

Seriously on 9/11 what good would a tank have done, or a grenade launcher, or any other number of military grade equipment that police forces now have?  Absolutely nothing.  And what good did it do in Boston . . . absolutely nothing. Except to provide ex-military individuals bigger toys to play with and make the populace feel secure.

 

I fear much more militarized cops than terrorists.  They have bigger guns and more money.  All it takes is a few laws to change, a few terrorists acts and we're rounding up people and putting them in concentration camps.  Which did happen to the Japanese-Americans in WWII-so it can certainly happen again.

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Contrary to your belief, I'm not anti-cop, I'm anti militarized war-fighting cops.  Police provide a very valuable function; but the militarization of police forces does no good.

 

Seriously on 9/11 what good would a tank have done, or a grenade launcher, or any other number of military grade equipment that police forces now have?  Absolutely nothing.  And what good did it do in Boston . . . absolutely nothing. Except to provide ex-military individuals bigger toys to play with and make the populace feel secure.

 

 

You are one 100% correct on both 9/11, the militarization of police, and Boston. Bearcats and other armored tanks will do absolutely nothing in any of those cases. 

 

Our side shoots themselves in the foot constantly. No, we don't live in a police state. No, not every cop is a homicidal lunatic. Most are just fine. Do they need cameras and stricter oversight? Of course they do. Both for their protections and ours. Like they tell us, you got nothing to hide, you got nothing to worry about. 

That said, in response to the OP-chill. ISIS are not coming to your local mall. If you live in America, you actually DO live in the safest country in the world (look at the statistics). Relax. Getting upset and paranoid is doing what the terrorists want. Paranoia doesn't help. It just gives people in charge an excuse to sacrifice more of our liberties in the name of security. 

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That said, in response to the OP-chill. ISIS are not coming to your local mall.

 

MG: Beslan, Mumbai, Nairobi.  All were trial runs for the US.  We know this.  Floorplans of US schools were found in the caves of Afghanistan.  Other intel that I can't talk about indicates that you are wrong in your assumption that the US is not a target.  They are making plans and it is a question of when.

 

As you have all been told before: grenade launchers are for gas munitions and less lethal munitions.  No HE is being used by law enforcement. 

 

The primary use for armored vehicles is for officer/citizen rescue when in a position exposed to gunfire.  We used ours last year when a suicidal male drove down a long dirt road.  The officer dispatched to check on him drove up the road towards him.  As eh stepped out of his car a gunshot rang out.  He hightailed it out of there.  Open field, no cover, except a patrol car.  Yep, we used an armored car to drive up to the suicidal males vehicle so nobody got shot while we approached. 

 

Other departments have used them to rescue citizens and officers who have been injured by gunfire.

 

But you guys already know this, we have gone the rounds on it before.

 

There is no militarization of the police.  We are not invading anyone's city.  Even if we wanted to (we don't) all of us combined could not occupy a medium sized city and hold it.  Puh-leeze.  Quit over reacting.

 

Most cops are not ex-military.  As an example, my precinct has 42 officers.  Five are ex-military, one with no middle east experience.  My previous assigned precinct had 64 officers, seven were ex military, two with no middle east experience.  You do the math. 

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Who is "they" . . . there always has been and always will be bad actors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#1800.E2.80.9399

 

"Terrorism" has been going on for a long time, it's not unique to ISIS nor is it unique to the time period in which we live.

 

I honestly do not in the least bit fear or worry about terrorism, just like I don't worry or fear the least bit about being killed.

If I am in bad parts of town, I take precaution, but it's not something I am concerned about.

 

I am most concerned with the reaction.  In 1995 the OKC bombing happens and the city isn't put on a military lockdown.  2013 Boston Marathon bombing and Boston looks like city under martial law out of a sci-fi movie.  Governments have and always will cause more threat to peace, security, and liberty than any 2-bit bad actor.

Lol!!! That's all I can say. I am done
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That said, in response to the OP-chill. ISIS are not coming to your local mall. If you live in America, you actually DO live in the safest country in the world (look at the statistics). Relax. Getting upset and paranoid is doing what the terrorists want. Paranoia doesn't help. It just gives people in charge an excuse to sacrifice more of our liberties in the name of security. 

 

I wish I had your confidence in this but I don't.

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Who is "they" . . . there always has been and always will be bad actors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#1800.E2.80.9399

 

"Terrorism" has been going on for a long time, it's not unique to ISIS nor is it unique to the time period in which we live.

 

I honestly do not in the least bit fear or worry about terrorism, just like I don't worry or fear the least bit about being killed.

If I am in bad parts of town, I take precaution, but it's not something I am concerned about.

 

I am most concerned with the reaction.  In 1995 the OKC bombing happens and the city isn't put on a military lockdown.  2013 Boston Marathon bombing and Boston looks like city under martial law out of a sci-fi movie.  Governments have and always will cause more threat to peace, security, and liberty than any 2-bit bad actor.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Was the reaction better or worse in your opinion with Boston than with OKC?  I don't really see how either reaction caused a threat to peace or security. Liberty maybe but was that a bad thing to tell people to stay in till the bombers were found? 

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And I'm on the brink of moving my family to within a few miles of our nation's capitol. Maybe a dumb time to do that, but we feel peaceful about the decision. We are going to avoid living near a big mall and my husband's job isn't in the capitol building nor the white house. So if he can just figure out how to get out of town on the metro when everyone is in a panic, he'll be OK.

 

Or we'll all perish together. I'm not afraid though. I remember feeling very worried when my son was in Jerusalem for a semester. But he just laughed it off and said the bomb sirens and mob scenes at the Wailing Wall  added excitement. I know what he means. It's always more worrisome for those watching from the outside than for those closer to the action. When you're on a crazy winding road, you feel much more safe and in control if you're the one with your hands on the wheel, than one riding in the backseat. 

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I wish I had your confidence in this but I don't.

  That's fine. It's just my opinion and my views. I accept a certain amount of fatalism in my life. If it's my time, it's my time. 

 

I also look at the odds. In our day to day to life, we are very safe. You don't hear about mass shootings every day simply because they don't happen. When I go to the mall, I don't worry about ISIS.

 

What we should worry about is heart disease, cancer, things like that. The odds of getting those are actually quite high. The odds of getting killed in a terrorist attack in America? Quite slim.  About one in 20 million. Odds of getting heart disease as you get older? Much higher. Odds of getting struck by lighting? About 1 in 700,000. Odds of getting attacked by a shark? About 1 in 3.7 million. 

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