pam Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Perhaps I'm just old school when it comes to some things. Perhaps I'm not up with the thoughts of people in this modern world of ours. Now I'm not saying I'm perfect. I am sooooo far from it. I have my own issues but this is the thing... In a discussion group on facebook with an LDS community the discussion of whether someone should go to watch a hypnotist for entertainment came up. One of the responses given was from the Church Handbook of Instruction: 21.3.5 Hypnosis The use of hypnosis under competent, professional medical supervision for the treatment of diseases or mental disorders is a medical question to be determined by competent medical authorities. Members should not participate in hypnosis for purposes of demonstration or entertainment. Many of the responses are stating...it's okay...it's harmless, pray about it and if God tells you it's okay then do it...and many more. So my question isn't about hypnosis. I'm just using this as an example. But at what time do we decide that our own personal revelation overrides the counsel given in something like the CHI? To me, if it's in the handbook there is a pretty good reason that it's there. Again..maybe I'm just too old school to get this. Vort and Daybreak79 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estradling75 Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Honesty... I think all of us are guilty of this to some extent or another. There are lots of instructions, and counsel from our leaders and very few (if any) of us follow them all perfectly. We all try to justify our lapses and rebellion. If we are honest with ourselves we know it is simply because we are weak, but many of us would rather 'justify' it somehow. So this could simply be a case of people "sinning differently" then you. Who knows maybe someone would look a your weaknesses and say "How could anyone possibly think that is OK?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 I personally find this both an interesting and very touchy subject. Generally I am of the mind that we fully engage life and the opportunity of mortality. At the same time I understand the great importance of discipline and mapping a decisive and sure course as we engage the problems and concerns that life presents. I am also aware that often two strongly held values or virtues will from time to time come to oppose each other requiring that we choose only one. In fact this I believe to be one of the greatest challenges of life and the process through which we engage such challenge is far more important than choosing the "lessor of two evils". It is the essence of the ox in the mire on the Sabbath problem. With this in mind - I do not feel that the particular problem initially presented really qualifies - but the essence of the idea does. I became aware on my mission that there were times and circumstances that it was impossible to conform to all the mission rules - that I must pick which one to break. In such cases I do not believe there is a prescribed predetermined procedure to follow - often we brush aside such a challenge by saying "follow the spirit". I wish the application was that easy. I am inclined to suggest that in the heat of battle - that we step up and pick one rather than stew over and delay making important and critical decisions. When we are not sure and cannot seem to see a better path - then pick one and become engaged - then as things unfold; be glad and thankful if things are good and repentant when it is realized that the choice was not in reality the actual best. I am of the attitude that one must pick what they think is best from the choices presented them - and should they discover something better do not get stuck in pride of the initial choice and humble oneself to address and embrace a better choice. I choose to covenant with G-d as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So far I am glad and thankful that things have turned out as good as they have because of that choice - but if I ever come to realize that there is a better choice - I would embrace such possibility in a heart beat - but so far there has not ever been anything that is even a close second. Jane_Doe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leah Posted July 29, 2015 Report Share Posted July 29, 2015 Perhaps I'm just old school when it comes to some things. Perhaps I'm not up with the thoughts of people in this modern world of ours. Now I'm not saying I'm perfect. I am sooooo far from it. I have my own issues but this is the thing... In a discussion group on facebook with an LDS community the discussion of whether someone should go to watch a hypnotist for entertainment came up. One of the responses given was from the Church Handbook of Instruction: 21.3.5 Hypnosis The use of hypnosis under competent, professional medical supervision for the treatment of diseases or mental disorders is a medical question to be determined by competent medical authorities. Members should not participate in hypnosis for purposes of demonstration or entertainment. Many of the responses are stating...it's okay...it's harmless, pray about it and if God tells you it's okay then do it...and many more. So my question isn't about hypnosis. I'm just using this as an example. But at what time do we decide that our own personal revelation overrides the counsel given in something like the CHI? To me, if it's in the handbook there is a pretty good reason that it's there. Again..maybe I'm just too old school to get this.I guess I have never understood why anyone would think they would get an answer in prayer that is different than church teaching. So you are somehow different...."special" than everyone else that you get a personal exemption that no one else does? I am guess I am just cynical enough to believe that someone people who said they prayed about it and Heavenly Father gave them the go-ahead.....didn't actually get that answer. They just tell themselves that they did because that is the answer they want to hear. We had a woman on this forum once state that she prayed about it, and Heavenly Father told it her it was okay for her to have sex with her boyfriend. pam and Just_A_Guy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam Posted July 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I guess I have never understood why anyone would think they would get an answer in prayer that is different than church teaching. So you are somehow different...."special" than everyone else that you get a personal exemption that no one else does? I am guess I am just cynical enough to believe that someone people who said they prayed about it and Heavenly Father gave them the go-ahead.....didn't actually get that answer. They just tell themselves that they did because that is the answer they want to hear. We had a woman on this forum once state that she prayed about it, and Heavenly Father told it her it was okay for her to have sex with her boyfriend. I guess that's really where my thoughts get confused. How would someone get a totally opposite response? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vort Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 We had a woman on this forum once state that she prayed about it, and Heavenly Father told it her it was okay for her to have sex with her boyfriend. Was that the one invoking a "try-before-you-buy" policy to make sure her intended was able to impregnate her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_A_Guy Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) I agree with where you in general; but I gotta confess that, now that Just_A_Kid#6 is on the way, I'm not looking forward to discussing Section 21.4.15 with my bishop. Do six kids under the age of 9 qualify as a "medical conditions [that] seriously jeopardize life or health"? I'm thinking yes . . . Edited July 30, 2015 by Just_A_Guy Jane_Doe and Daybreak79 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 We had a woman on this forum once state that she prayed about it, and Heavenly Father told it her it was okay for her to have sex with her boyfriend. This reminds me of a story my parents told from their mission last year where they had a girl in their class demand that her brother had been given a revelation that he should be in a gay relationship -- that it was like Nephi cutting off Labans head or some such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmarklin Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I agree with where you in general; but I gotta confess that, now that Just_A_Kid#6 is on the way, I'm not looking forward to discussing Section 21.4.15 with my bishop. Do six kids under the age of 9 qualify as a "medical conditions [that] seriously jeopardize life or health"? I'm thinking yes . . . Insanity is hereditary. You get it from your kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted July 30, 2015 Report Share Posted July 30, 2015 I agree with where you in general; but I gotta confess that, now that Just_A_Kid#6 is on the way, I'm not looking forward to discussing Section 21.4.15 with my bishop. Do six kids under the age of 9 qualify as a "medical conditions [that] seriously jeopardize life or health"? I'm thinking yes . . . Don't be a wuss. My sister has 10. On a serious note: Count your blessings -- this from a guy and his wife who have not been able to have them at all and whose fondest wish is to have many... even under the age of... ?? When we were pursuing fertility treatments we were actually hoping for a few sets of twins, and maybe even a lucky triplet in there somewhere. This, of course, before finding out that we'll never have them. Vort 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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