Seems that I had it good in my dangerous professions...another shooting today of yet another officer!


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Of all the issues I had to deal with in the military and law enforcement, being assignated was usually not one of them. The badge I carry now is my retirement badge...which is in my City of Atlanta badge holder. The weapon I carry does not screen police, except the fact that I don't conceal it and carry it like it has been there all my life. I can only wonder how the wives of police officers feel today, as opposed to my day. Sadly the more police that get killed will have three terrifying results...

1. Good men and women will leave the force

2. Some Police Officers will become more aggressive...leading to more hate groups like "Black Lives Matter"

3. Some Policer Officers will be more gun shy out of fear that no matter the choice they make their lives will be over due social media.

What is the answer?

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Respect for law and order. 

Which of course is long gone.  We have today vast communities of those who believe they should be able to supplement thier government welfare checks, subsidies and give-aways with crime.  And they believe they should not have any interference from law enforcement while they carry out their crimes.

I doubt that it will change, particularly with the ilk in the white house and ags office (both present and former) and the poitical bent of most large cities where these communities thrive on their crimes (and 'government assistance').

And it won't change as long as there are viscious rabid racists like Al 'Fat Boy' Sharpton, and Jessie 'Bug Eyes' Jackson stirring up further racial hatred and disrespect for law and order.

You know their motto after any crime:  "Mah bebby din do nuffin".

dc

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Given the incident in DeKalb County, the answer is the same as it has been for decades now; ditch the attitudes and go back to being true peace officers first and foremost.  If those officers hadn't decided to go Rambo on a call that was already problematic (no address given) there wouldn't have been an issue other than a possibly mildly annoyed (but not shot) homeowner and a somewhat agitated (but not killed) family pet.

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I'm of the opinion that respect for law and order is alive and well in the United States, and that far more people respect the law than not.  Problems have always existed and always will.  Depending upon whom I ask (and how many years of opportunity they've had to observe life) there have been worse times and better times, over and over. 

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Respect for law and order.

Which of course is long gone. We have today vast communities of those who believe they should be able to supplement thier government welfare checks, subsidies and give-aways with crime. And they believe they should not have any interference from law enforcement while they carry out their crimes.

I doubt that it will change, particularly with the ilk in the white house and ags office (both present and former) and the poitical bent of most large cities where these communities thrive on their crimes (and 'government assistance').

And it won't change as long as there are viscious rabid racists like Al 'Fat Boy' Sharpton, and Jessie 'Bug Eyes' Jackson stirring up further racial hatred and disrespect for law and order.

You know their motto after any crime: "Mah bebby din do nuffin".

dc

True big cities have the most problems in some areas, but the majority of Walfare takers are White and only lag about 10% behind in baby mama drama and only about 20% behind in crime as a economic group.
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Given the incident in DeKalb County, the answer is the same as it has been for decades now; ditch the attitudes and go back to being true peace officers first and foremost. If those officers hadn't decided to go Rambo on a call that was already problematic (no address given) there wouldn't have been an issue other than a possibly mildly annoyed (but not shot) homeowner and a somewhat agitated (but not killed) family pet.

I was addressing the Illinois officer. The DeKalb thing was just wrong address...not an executed officer. I retired from Atlanta and knew many Rambo's there...I was not showing any favoritism.
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I'm of the opinion that respect for law and order is alive and well in the United States, and that far more people respect the law than not. Problems have always existed and always will. Depending upon whom I ask (and how many years of opportunity they've had to observe life) there have been worse times and better times, over and over.

I am 58, and have of few assignations of police while sitting in cars, pumping gas and in their driveways. Now maybe having been a police officer, I disagree...but I think more, I disagree.
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I was addressing the Illinois officer. The DeKalb thing was just wrong address...not an executed officer. I retired from Atlanta and knew many Rambo's there...I was not showing any favoritism.

 

Wrong address, entry on lousy pretense (unlocked back door at 7:30 in the evening) and Barney deciding to unload on the dog, (pretty strong indication there's no burglar if the dog wasn't barking before they went in) hitting the other cop and the homeowner in the process.

 

Pretty sad when "former employer of Terrell Bolton" isn't the worst thing in your department's history.

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I'm of the opinion that respect for law and order is alive and well in the United States, and that far more people respect the law than not.  Problems have always existed and always will.  Depending upon whom I ask (and how many years of opportunity they've had to observe life) there have been worse times and better times, over and over. 

 

Agreed. Some time ago, I read a book about a sheriff in Pend Oreille county in northeast Washington state, just north of Spokane. He solved a murder case from the 1930s, where a cop was shot dead -- executed, really -- by another cop during a robbery and it was covered up for literally generations. Pretty amazing and distressing story. Here's an article about the book from 23 years ago:

 

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19920816&slug=1507602

 

(The book, Breaking Blue, is available here.)

 

Despite our unbelievably corrupt Chicago CIC, I do not believe we have reached that level of corruption  yet. The 1930s got a bad reputation for good reason, and not merely because of the Great Depression.

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IMHO, it starts from the top, Corporations, Politicians, Judges, Leaders etc.. people that make the Decisions/Laws which force a variety of groups, low income/poor/blacks/minorities into a corner.

 

The sad thing is that the innocent Police are on the front lines and have to deal with the frustrations of these groups.

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IMHO, it starts from the top, Corporations, Politicians, Judges, Leaders etc.. people that make the Decisions/Laws which force a variety of groups, low income/poor/blacks/minorities into a corner.

 

The sad thing is that the innocent Police are on the front lines and have to deal with the frustrations of these groups.

Yes they are on the front lines .....when they leave for work no one knows if they will return .... I have two neighbors and a son in law that are Officers ....it's a situation that's close to me in many ways.
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Yes they are on the front lines .....when they leave for work no one knows if they will return .... I have two neighbors and a son in law that are Officers ....it's a situation that's close to me in many ways.

 

Same for firefighters, but somehow they don't spend as much time grandstanding about how dangerous their job is.

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I am 58, and have of few assignations of police while sitting in cars, pumping gas and in their driveways. Now maybe having been a police officer, I disagree...but I think more, I disagree.

 

I don't think I have ever encountered the word "assignation" before.  But from context I take it that you're saying you are aware of (three) police officers killed while they were merely doing routine things like any other citizen.  So are you also saying that these tragic events ought to be perceived as evidence that respect for law and order in our country has deteriorated during your (our) lifetime compared to some period in the past when police officers weren't killed? 

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If those officers hadn't decided to go Rambo
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Barney deciding to unload on the dog
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Same for firefighters, but somehow they don't spend as much time grandstanding

 

Seriously NightSG?  How about you tone down your insulting rhetoric a little.  It's painting you in a light other than 'disciple of Christ'.  

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The simple logic is - the less the institution can insure peace the more we must take upon ourselves to preserve it for our selves, our families and our communities.  I have long feared that there may be a time when individuals will believe it safer to carry a gun than to rely on our institutions. It is more scary to me than a Zombie apocalypse - zombies don't look like me and everybody else.

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Same for firefighters, but somehow they don't spend as much time grandstanding about how dangerous their job is.

 

Yes.  Because fires don't intentionally kill cops.  Fires also don't kill cops out of hate.  So, the number of dead firefighters does not indicate societal decay.

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The simple logic is - the less the institution can insure peace the more we must take upon ourselves to preserve it for our selves, our families and our communities.  I have long feared that there may be a time when individuals will believe it safer to carry a gun than to rely on our institutions. It is more scary to me than a Zombie apocalypse - zombies don't look like me and everybody else.

 

Traveler

There is an old saying 'when seconds count, the police or sheriff is only minutes away'.  Or, in Los Angeles, or how about the rural areas, half an hour, or an hour, or an hour and a half away.

dc

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I've been shot at four times during my career.  I've had two people try to hit me with their cars, one tagged me with their side view mirror.  One person tried to stab me.  Two people tried to get my pistol from my holster.  Several others pick up or attempt to pick up weapons during my contacts with them.  Not to mention the times I've been assaulted.

 

Oops...sorry I'll get off my grandstand.

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Though that's not really much of a comfort, since being a logger is more dangerous than playing on a highway median all day.

 

Taxi drivers are in more danger of being murdered on the job than law enforcement.  Almost twice as likely as all causes of death combined for police.  Where's the special treatment for them?  They're just trying to do a necessary, useful job.

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I used to work with an electrician who got shot at five times in one year.  Still never knew him to hold anyone at gunpoint for looking like they might do something.

 

Because... once again... the electrical thing is not the one shooting him.  Nowhere in his job description does it require him to go run after these guys shooting him to put them in handcuffs and hopefully manage to get them into a cop car and into the precinct without dying in the process.

 

I don't really understand this entire anti-cop mentality.  I mean, I would understand this if we were living in North Korea or something where the people don't call the cops when they get in trouble.  As it stands in America, people dial 911 the minute a bad guy (who is usually not a cop) walks into their yard.

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