prisonchaplain Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 A few months ago I talking with a psychologist I know. I asked if the Christian urban legend that "homophobia" was in the DSM (the APA manual on psychological diagnoses) was true. It was not. I even looked over the manual, myself. Then I read about a therapeutic framework that a Christian psychology professor was using to treat Christian homosexual men who wanted to shunt their same-sex attraction. This was not reparative therapy, but rather a putting aside of physical drives to achieve a greater spiritual purpose. The APA approved his framework. So, I concluded that there is hope in that field. People of faith can serve and be served but the elements of good in psychology. We just have to choose our therapists with discernment. Below is a link to an article based on a study. It's just a study, and most of these probably amount to nothing. On the other hand, it sure does play into that Christian urban legend I mentioned earlier. A researcher has determined a correlation between negative feelings towards homosexuals and psychologically troubling traits. http://www.christianpost.com/news/is-homophobia-a-disorder-149750/ Should we be concerned? Blackmarch, Just_A_Guy and Backroads 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Haven't read the post yet...but my response to the title of the thread: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Should we be concerned? The plain answer is, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 I would like to point out, that by strict definition, anything-phobia is a disorder. So true homophobia would, indeed, be so. Of course the concern is that they define any aversion to homosexuality whatsoever as a "phobia", which has been the long-held pervasive lie out there concerning the matter. LeSellers and Blackmarch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 May I also add that the supposed study done to associate "homophobia" with other troubling traits is pure bunk. Blackmarch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Having now read the full article I see that most of my thoughts were already addressed to an extent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crypto Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 I think in part we should be concerned, especially for the loudest of christians that often seem lacking in charity(radical groups), which contribute to those who oppose people of faith painting us all with a broad brush as all the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Folk Prophet Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 I think in part we should be concerned, especially for the loudest of christians that often seem lacking in charity(radical groups), which contribute to those who oppose people of faith painting us all with a broad brush as all the same. I hate to tell you this Crypto, but you belong to one of those groups that is considered radical and lacking in charity. LeSellers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prisonchaplain Posted November 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Me too. http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/Position_Papers/pp_downloads/pp_4181_homosexuality.pdf Blackmarch and David13 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JojoBag Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 A few months ago I talking with a psychologist I know. I asked if the Christian urban legend that "homophobia" was in the DSM (the APA manual on psychological diagnoses) was true. It was not. I even looked over the manual, myself. Then I read about a therapeutic framework that a Christian psychology professor was using to treat Christian homosexual men who wanted to shunt their same-sex attraction. This was not reparative therapy, but rather a putting aside of physical drives to achieve a greater spiritual purpose. The APA approved his framework. So, I concluded that there is hope in that field. People of faith can serve and be served but the elements of good in psychology. We just have to choose our therapists with discernment. Below is a link to an article based on a study. It's just a study, and most of these probably amount to nothing. On the other hand, it sure does play into that Christian urban legend I mentioned earlier. A researcher has determined a correlation between negative feelings towards homosexuals and psychologically troubling traits. http://www.christianpost.com/news/is-homophobia-a-disorder-149750/ Should we be concerned? Don't worry, they are working on making it a disorder. Give them another year. carlimac and LeSellers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David13 Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Praise the Lord, Prison Chaplain.I'm glad to see that there are at least two churches left on this earth that believe and understand the truth as to what the real psychological disorder is.dc LeSellers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JojoBag Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 I'm going to take this one step further. W. Cleon Skousen was an FBI agent back in the 40's and 50's. He investigated the Communist Party, USA, and subsequently wrote the book, “The Naked Communist.” In it he listed 45 communist goals. The following are of relevance to this discussion.24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy."32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture -- education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. It isn't a conspiracy theory that the communist party through socialism is subverting and taking over the U.S. It is a conspiracy fact. Of the 45 goals, they've achieved 39 of them. Obama is just the last in a long line of attempts to subvert regular government. The socialist/communists have used the psychiatric profession to warp the minds of people, to convince them that they and not God know what ails mankind. It used to be that homosexuality was classified as an aberration. Now it is considered normal and we who oppose it are the aberrants. This country is very sick. LeSellers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crypto Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 I hate to tell you this Crypto, but you belong to one of those groups that is considered radical and lacking in charity.Oh boy, I guess I really have been brain washed. (tongue in cheek) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdowis Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) Next time, kindly ask him whether anyone has done a study on christophobia -- the fear and hatred of Christians and their values. This mental disease causes hysterical ranting and raving, and is now rampant throughout society, even among the mental health care professionals. Edited November 17, 2015 by cdowis LeSellers and David13 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theSQUIDSTER Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) A few months ago I talking with a psychologist I know. I asked if the Christian urban legend that "homophobia" was in the DSM (the APA manual on psychological diagnoses) was true. It was not. I even looked over the manual, myself. Then I read about a therapeutic framework that a Christian psychology professor was using to treat Christian homosexual men who wanted to shunt their same-sex attraction. This was not reparative therapy, but rather a putting aside of physical drives to achieve a greater spiritual purpose. The APA approved his framework. So, I concluded that there is hope in that field. People of faith can serve and be served but the elements of good in psychology. We just have to choose our therapists with discernment.Below is a link to an article based on a study. It's just a study, and most of these probably amount to nothing. On the other hand, it sure does play into that Christian urban legend I mentioned earlier. A researcher has determined a correlation between negative feelings towards homosexuals and psychologically troubling traits.http://www.christianpost.com/news/is-homophobia-a-disorder-149750/Should we be concerned?These seem like pretty broad findings telling is no more than that people who are already troubled may be also be more likely to be "homophobic" .... Whatever that is... (Depends on who's defining it.. ) Conclusion: sociopaths are more likely to exibit traits of sociopaths than non-sociopaths. Wow.. What earth-shattering news!And now for a couple of meaningful definitions.. Homophobic: anyone who disagrees with me and my choice to live a LBGTQrstuvwxyz lifestyle. Sociopath: anyone exhibiting sociopathic tendencies (see also homophobia.). Homophobia: anyone exhibiting homophobic tendencies (see also sociopath).. And of such vague circuitous reasoning and logic are the best propaganda and smear-campaigns based and waged.. Edited November 17, 2015 by theSQUIDSTER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prisonchaplain Posted November 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Ironically, the moral of the story is one that the APA endorses--if you need a therapist, studies show (I'm not kidding) that clients achieve better results with those that share their worldview (i.e. religion). David13 and BeccaKirstyn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David13 Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Ironically, the moral of the story is one that the APA endorses--if you need a therapist, studies show (I'm not kidding) that clients achieve better results with those that share their worldview (i.e. religion). Funny how that works out, isn't it?But also funnier still that they are still at least partially sane enough to realize that.dc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 A couple of thoughts: First off - a phobia is a measurable fear that causes changes measurable changes is heart rates and hormones. Second - I believe there is more propaganda than actual scientific studies into controlled data. There is zero proof that homosexuality or any sexual behavior in humans for that matter is not a learned (conditioned) response to low cognitive levels of learning. I can reference actual scientific studies into cognitive behaviors in intelligent species - including research into breeding intelligent animals (mammals) in captivity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted November 20, 2015 Report Share Posted November 20, 2015 Ironically, the moral of the story is one that the APA endorses--if you need a therapist, studies show (I'm not kidding) that clients achieve better results with those that share their worldview (i.e. religion). My friend PC - What is the view in your religious circles of casting out unclean spirits as methods of healing. Is SSA considered a possible possession problem? Do you believe a person could be "cured" in the same manner as Jesus did in casting out evil spirits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JojoBag Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 Well, PC, so much for thinking that it won't be classified as a mental illness.http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/its-official-homophobia-now-a-mental-disorder/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prisonchaplain Posted November 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 My friend PC - What is the view in your religious circles of casting out unclean spirits as methods of healing. Is SSA considered a possible possession problem? Do you believe a person could be "cured" in the same manner as Jesus did in casting out evil spirits. SSA, like mental and psychological issues, like alcoholism and drug addiction, etc. can all have a demonic element to them. If a child of God discerns that there is satanic activity, then certainly prayers for deliverance are called for. However, we do not believe that followers of Christ can be possessed. So, I'd always ask permission to pray for spiritual protection and deliverance before I'd proceed. If the person is satisfied in their condition then setting them "free" only opens them to worse oppression. Blackmarch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prisonchaplain Posted November 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2015 Well, PC, so much for thinking that it won't be classified as a mental illness.http://www.wnd.com/2015/11/its-official-homophobia-now-a-mental-disorder/ Err...uh....isn't this the same study I cited in my OP? Blackmarch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmarch Posted November 26, 2015 Report Share Posted November 26, 2015 for it to be a phobia it has to be a fear that is to the point of being disabling, for it to be diagnosed for treatment it has (or used to be anyways) to significantly interfere with one's daily life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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