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Jerry Ainsworth expressed a few of his thoughts on "the south countries" in this morning's issue of "Nephite Evidences", the free monthly newsletter from Mormon Sites. Here's a link to Ainsworth's article: Ask a Mormon LDS Forum Discussion Board • View topic - Newsletter September, 2009 - the south countries

Here's a link to Jerry's primary site but sorry no egg! http://www.mormonsites.org

I accept that you are not a fan of Jerry Ainsworth and that you apparently have a desire to do what you can to detract from his reputation and the value that his book has had for thousands of readers. Have you perhaps written a book about the MesoAmerican theory of Book of Mormon geography yourself that you would like to recommend to readers of this thread instead of Jerry's?? My guess is that Dr. Ainsworth is just as capable of writing a scholarly discourse on the subject as are those who have done so. But his book "The Lives and Travels of Mormon and Moroni" was intended to be an introduction to Book of Mormon geography for a general (popular) audience. With respect for your right to voice your personal opinions, Jerry's book works well at the popular level regardless of your criticism and that of those whose bandwagon you have apparently hopped upon. The difference between Ainsworth and many other scholars is that Ainsworth actually gets his hands dirty in the field and generates unique knowledge instead of just criticising the writings of other scholars as so many ivory tower 'scholars' tend to limit themselves to.

Brigham Young dedicates site of Manti Temple - LDS.org: "Brigham Young announced the (Manti) temple site 25 June 1875 and dedicated the site on 25 April 1877. Earlier that same morning, he had taken Warren S. Snow with him to the southeast corner of the temple site and told him, “Here is the spot where the Prophet Moroni stood and dedicated this piece of land for a Temple site, and that is the reason why the location is made here, and we can’t move it from this spot.” LDS.org - Ensign Article - The Manti Temple Some references for Moroni also dedicating the St. George Utah Temple site: "The temple sites credited to Moroni were at St. George, Utah and Manti, Utah. Brigham Young met with the leaders of the Church in St. George, Utah to announce the building of a Temple. David Henry Cannon Jr., a member of the St. George Temple Presidency, was in attendance when President BrighamYoung said of the St. George Temple site, This spot was dedicated by the Nephites. They could not build it [the Temple] but we can and will build it for them. Those present at the meeting believed Brigham was referring to Moroni as one of those Nephites who dedicated the site at St. George. President Cannon reported that "many rumors" were circulating that Brigham Young had said that "Moroni, the Nephite-General had actually dedicated the site where the Temple now stands." Brigham Young's statement that "Nephites" dedicated the site for the St. George Temple is consistent with Warren S. Snow's testimony that Brigham Young said that Moroni, a Nephite had dedicated the site for the Manti Temple... http://www.elektroteck.com/bens/SCAN0003.txt "Moroni had the great privilege, as he walked across this American Continent, of finding a place and designating the place where the St. George temple was to be built. He also designated where the Manti Temple was to be. And it’s been written that he designated Kirtland and Nauvoo and probably others. Moroni appeared to the Prophet Joseph Smith 22 different times during the life of the Prophet Joseph that we know of." Elder Glenn L Rudd 2003 The Angel Moroni "The site for the temple at St. George was swampy, but Brigham Young insisted that it be built there because the spot had been dedicated by ancient Book of Mormon prophets (statement by David H. Cannon, Jr., Oct. 14, 1942, quoted in Kirk M. Curtis, "History of the St. George Temple," Master's thesis, Brigham Young University, 1964, pp. 24-25)." History of Mormon Temples

I personally find this post in very poor taste. Disagree with him if you will but Dr. Ainsworth is an eminent Book of Mormon scholar, he deserves more respect than this on an LDS board in my opinion.

Apparently Brigham Young said that Moroni dedicated the site for the St. George, Utah temple, but I don't have the reference in front of me. The petroglyphs that Jerry talks about are very different than the Anasazi etc. glyphs that are common in southern Utah. Some of the ones Jerry talks about contain a symbol that some people think is Moroni's signature. That signature has been found in I think about 32 known locations in western USA. A ranger in Filmore, Utah has a lot of information on it if anyone cares to go to the ranger station there and ask for him. Go around to the back of the ranger station and you'll see the "Signature Rock" that was brought in from a nearby mountain location, it has a Moroni signature.

It is just your opinion that Mormon "remained in Central America near the Hill Ramah." Some people think that Mormon was killed and is buried near Cedar City, Utah. But of course there is no proof of that, at least I'm not aware of any. Dr. Ainsworth is currently involved with a new nonprofit group called the "Foundation for Ancient American Studies." It's possible that some day they may conduct tours in Utah to introduce others to the wealth of possible Nephite 'evidences' that is to be found in that state. Subscribers to the Mormon Sites monthly newsletter "Nephite Evidences" will be among the first to know if that happens. Mormon Sites - rising from the dust...

This needs some clarification. Dr. Jerry Ainsworth wrote the words up to: "More on these two sets of petroglyphs next month." The other words were written by and are the personal opinions of the person who compiles and sends out the newsletter that HemiDakota has quoted from.

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Good counsel Hemi, thanks.

Of course anything we discuss about Heavenly Mother is speculation or just personal experience because there is no official doctrine in our canon about Her that I am aware of. (Other than the recent Family Proclamation that mentions Heavenly Parents in the plural.) My own conjecture is that in our traditional family roles of father, mother, son, daughter, we are approximating as near as we can on this earth the way it is in the highest heavens. Those who have contemplated at length about what they will be actually DOING in their exalted state I think will soon come to the understanding that we will be functioning as PARENTS, creating and raising spirit grandchildren for our own Heavenly Parents. That's probably not for everyone, but personally I could think of no greater joy than being a PERFECT husband and a PERFECT father... That's how I see it.

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