jackbeckman

Check out Revelations 3:21 bro. You're getting caught up in semantics. I didn't get into how we'll rule with Christ in his throne, of course there are theological differences there between LDS and non-LDS views. I was talking about the big picture. Well, an angel in my mind can either be a spirit or a resurrected being. So if we are going to have our own kingdom, that might include angels of either sort I mentioned, and we being rulers would certainly have the right to judge them. Again, big picture. It's the details that make the difference. It's the details that differentiate the LDS Church and others. It's the details that make the Plan of Salvation work. Start showering more. The thousand years being earth years, which was a time period that only came into being after earth was created...so the time periods spoken of as days in the creation account can't have been 1,000 years since mortals didn't yet reckon time (not to mention the belief that prior to the Fall of Adam, earth was near Kolob and time was reckoned differently there, and after the Fall the earth was cast down to its present location out of God's presence). Perhaps, but look what the LDS church has blossomed into since just 1830. All in all I agree with you WC, but on the whole--the core concepts--I feel I also agree largely with PC. It's the details that differ, but I've learned that if I always sweat the details I have to shower a lot. I have thought about this myself. While I have no official doctrine to back it up I think similarly. Oh, and I'll take your advice about splinters and gnawing hands off. Hahaha, classic. :)

PC, I can't argue with any single thing you listed. :) I'm actually impressed with your eloquent simplicity, and the beautiful ideas you shared. This is what I think, even coming from different theological backgrounds. I guess the journey is where we have different ideas. At least we both look forward to the same thing. :) Thanks for the post. Ahem! Corrections are in order......according to LDS Doctrine. 2. Rule and reign with Christ? He has His Kingdom, we will have ours. We can enjoy His perfect presence based on His judgement of our actions or inactions in pursuit of His Gospel plan. The Plan of Salvation is available to all who partake of His saving ordinances from His Church. 3. We'll judge angels? No, Christ is the Judge. They will have their reward according to His perfect judgement. We will have our own work to do. 4. Earth was created in six time periods. We don't know how long those periods were, but we are told that one day is like a thousand years in Heavenly reckoning. Since creation the Plan has been in place to bring His children back to His Presence, according to their obedience to the Plan. 2000 years? Just a blip in time in the eternities. 8. Work? You better believe it! Work to bring to pass His Kingdom and its Glory.

Mwahahahahahaha, classic! ok, so what about the harps and heresy? Isn't that the topic of this thread? I want harps! You can keep the heresy.

I hope it's enough to bring up my overall GPA! Does having a good GPA mean extra blessings????

Okay, I think I understand what has you so passionate. To clarify: 1. I do not believe that the 10-Commandments are the be all and end all of the gospel, of Christian practice, nor that they are the core of what Christian adhere to. If you carefully read the lesson I posted you will NOT find any such assertions. So, perhaps this is a misunderstanding. 2. I was not deflecting by saying "it's all good." Please read my post carefully. I was saying that the Ten Commandments, being a part of the Bible, are a good topic. Again, you've misunderstood my intent. 3. I am a Christian, and I never did claim that the Ten Commandments were sufficent to live by. That is not in the lesson, the title, or any subpoints. Our miscommunication seems to be that I was defending my choice of topic, and your were speaking against some ideas that the very topic of the Commandments arose in your mind. I'm not even sure we disagree about this subject. Perhaps you are right. My intent was to convey that the Ten Commandments are incomplete as an instrument of salvation. To teach them, and not teach that they are not enough would do a great disservice to any in the congregation. Perhaps I read more into your post than was there.

Enough for what? Salvation? Holiness? Sanctification? To please God? You may have read much more into the lesson than was there. The purpose of the teaching was to explain how Christians relate to the 10-Commands, not to suggest that they and they alone are the key to spiritual enlightenment, salvation, or holiness. My point was that it's good to teach about the 10-Commandments, the Two Great Commandments, Salvation, etc.--they're all good topics. They're all biblical topics. You've not criticized the content of my lesson, but rather the topic itself. I'm frankly baffled. I believe you have, and I'm not sure how...but WOW. To recap, I posted a lesson on the 10 Commandments, explaining a Christians understanding of them, and you responded by condemning the commandments and my choice to teach about them. You're serious about something, but I'm not sure what it is that has you stirred up. The 10 Commandments were given by God, and there is still good direction for us in them. There is nothing in my lesson to suggest that they are the be all or end all of salvation, holiness, or sanctification. So I'm not sure what your "serious response" is based on. Likewise, I'm truly dumbfounded as to what would give you cause to question my seriousness about the gospel or my faith in Jesus. Condemn the Ten Commandments? Surely you jest! I did not condemn them, I merely pointed out the fact that a Christian, professing adherence to tenents of the Mosaic Law, the Ten, isn't living what they profess, that is the Gospel. Then saying "it's all good" to deflect the point..............well, let's just say that I do not suffer that easily. Again, the Ten are the basic tenents. A Christian lives more than the basics. The Mosaic Law is a schoolteacher, per Paul. The Gospel is much more. For a Christian to claim that it is sufficient only to live by the Ten, is deluding themselves.

When I came here back in October I was asked "Why are you here?" My answer: to learn and share. Yes, I've learned much. Yes, I've had liberty to share. Some here have expressed appreciation for what I've posted--including occasional lessons. Your language here is curious. "Justify?" Well, I've tried to explain my 10-Commands post, because you seemed to find it troublesome--more because of the topic, than the substance of my post. It'd be a sad day when any Christian, LDS or otherwise, would have to justify any biblical topic s/he might offer discourse on. Sorry if you found my invocation of a colloquial phrase disconcerting. My intent here is to convey my position that living the "Ten Commandments" is not enough. They are part of the Mosaic Law, which was fulfilled. Let me say again, it is not enough. If it were, then Christ would not have given the Gospel, and fulfilled that law. For someone to claim that "it's all good" in regard to the Ten Commandments cast doubts that the same person takes the Gospel seriously, and actually believes Jesus. Note that I said believes Jesus, not believe in Him. Believing Him means that we actually take what He said as truth and live by it. If I misunderstood your intent, then I apologize. I am direct in speech and sometimes rather frank, especially on discussion boards. I take my faith seriously, and although I am flawed, I expect others to do the same.

Jesus said that if we would love God and neighbor we'd fulfill all the law and prophets--and those two come out of the 613! Hey, bottom-line, it's all good. The Ten are good, the Two are good, the Beautitudes are good (by the way, were you requesting that I submit my series of lessons on Matthew 5-7????--okay--look for it). Everyone else--blame Warrior Chief for inviting me to eat up the bandwith! Hardly an invitation to post your "lessons". In fact I would venture to say that you could learn something in here. "it's all good" is a phrase used to justify one's actions, or lack of same when an obvious change is in order.

Maybe I should hand you another roll of dimes to throw out. Perhaps the combination of working with offenders (usually internet purchasers--the mildest form, if such an adjective is appropriate to the subject), and the fact that I have three little girls, made the topic so compelling. My wife is a tough sell, and she agreed with me. We're still not sure if we'll let our soon-to-be kindergartner ride the bus the first year or not. God's will be done. Exactly! Knowing the Old Testament, helps to understand the New......in that Christ came to fulfill the law. Every bit is done away as He said. Now, my point is that Christians should be more concerned with the Beatitudes than the Ten Commandments, in that the Beatitudes are the basis of the "higher" law or the Gospel. Just because someone is living the Ten, or the bare minimum, doesn't give them the blessings of living the Gospel. Oh, and according to Him, via His prophet it is His will that you seek out and find the truth and His Church here on earth. So if you wish to comply with His will....................

OK, rented fingers.....hit the return key by mistake. PC, I am curious as to why you would post this, in that Christ fulfilled the law when He came. The Ten Commandments are a part of the Mosaic Law. The Gospel, as taught by Christ, is much deeper that the ten basic commandments as given to the Children of Israel. Although the Ten are quite appropriate, they are not the only Commandments given. To concern oneself with only the Ten, tends to detour one away from what the Gospel is.