siistipoika

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  1. So, is there progression between Kingdoms after this life? I've read conflicting opinions. fair mormon has some quotes from prophets, but lately I've heard people bringing it up saying it logically makes sense that there would be progression between Kingdoms.
  2. Thank you to all of you who have replied to me. I would like to apologize if I came across as judgmental or prideful; I just wanted to ask questions that have been on my mind for a while. I don't wish eternal damnation on anyone, I've just been wondering about this topic. I have never heard anyone say in church that people in the Spirit World/Prison may not accept the Gospel and I have never heard that the veil is still in place for those in Spirit Prison. Is there somewhere in scripture where this is found? I believe in the Atonement and I recognize that everything good in my life has come from being a member of the church and attempting to follow Christ. I do not have a perfect knowledge of things and the hope is all I feel I have at times. I had always heard it was more difficult to repent in Spirit Prison but that was the end of what I knew and if we did temple work for our ancestors, then they would go to the Celestial Kingdom. Anyway, I ask these things because on a personal level there are people who have committed sin who are close to me and their choices have affected me and changed my life. I believe the Atonement applies to them and if/when they repent that is between them and God; I was just wondering what if they died without repenting how would it work? If I went and "did their temple work" would it all be OK? So, as I understand it now, people who die without finding the Gospel, baptism, etc. are taught the Gospel in Spirit Prison and the veil we have here is still in effect there, they don't have any more knowledge or remembrances than what we have now? If they choose to accept the Gospel and the temple work is done for them then they will likely receive exaltation and if they reject it, then they will likely go to another kingdom? I've read the Doctrine and Covenants and I don't remember it being that detailed about the Spirit World, is there another source for this? Thank you
  3. Thank you for your reply. So, when you say you and many others begging, do you mean every spirit child of our Heavenly Father? If not, what about those without a proclivity for good? Do you equate G-d as Christ or the Father i.e. are we begging of the Father or Son? I like how you equate mercy and access. Some questions I have though are: Why do we need the Church if everyone, whether in this part of life (mortality) or the next will get access to the required ordinances and covenants i.e. why am I trying so hard now to "choose the right"? What about those who have sinned and it is something against us (abuse, etc.)? We can forgive/forget/move on to the best of our ability, but the pain may never fully heal in this life, we may always be scarred; how will we ever fully heal? If those who have wronged us ever repent, will they need to apologize to us or try to make amends and admit what they did was wrong, similar to how we repent here on earth and do the best we can to make amends with the person we've offended? Also, if there is some horrible thing someone has done to another, will we be with them wherever we're all assigned after mortality in our big heavenly family? I can't see that being a comfortable eternity. Thank you.
  4. This is my first post here, though I read this forum form time to time. I am having a difficult time either understanding or accepting some doctrine and was hoping someone might enlighten me on the subject. My problem is in regard to work for the dead, inheriting kingdoms, etc. 1) As I understand it, we do work for the dead and then while in spirit prison these spirits can repent, accept the gospel and accept the ordinances and covenants. However, there may be some who do not accept it and they go to other kingdoms. I feel as though in the Church, because we are trying to be positive or for other reasons, it is not discussed that some of these spirits may not accept our work and thus, may not receive exaltation. 2) As I understand it, everyone who will ever live on this earth will receive an equal and fair chance to receive the Gospel, whether in this life or the next. Most of the time we reference people who lived before Noah or those in the deepest parts of Africa or China who never hear of the the Gospel or even God for that matter and pass away. I wonder though, what about those I come in contact with, explain the Gospel or parts of it or explain why our Church is different and they say good story or interesting, but move on. I also wonder about those people who try to "corrupt" LDS people, namely those who try to get us to drink, smoke, have sex, etc., while they may not have a full understanding of what they are doing, a lot of the time they know that to us it is bad and disrespect our stance by continuing to pressure or ask us to do things contrary to our beliefs, even after we've explained why we believe the way we do. 3) Does it bother anyone that because we have the Gospel in its fulness and are trying to live a higher law at this time, that there are people who live according to lesser standards and do so their entire lives and then eventually in the spirit world they receieve a "get out of jail pass" by saying they believe at that time? I just feel like I am trying to live the Gospel well, struggling, feeling guilty over things that many "in the world" don't blink an eye at and even mock to an extent and those same people will receive the gospel without the veil after they have passed away and don't have to prove themselves for as long I guess. I wonder why we teach about the other Kingdoms, when it doesn't seem like very many will go to these, except maybe members of the Church who are not valiant. I feel like even the worst of the worst will be exalted because of everyone receiving an equal and fair chance to accept the Gospel in the Spirit World How could someone reject the Gospel in the Spirit World with the veil lifted? It just seems like they have an easier road to exaltation, while those of us who have the Gospel in this life struggle to live as close to the Celestial laws as we can, continuing to fall short, but trying, while those without ths gospel don't go through those same problems. I know it sounds like I'm judgmental and maybe that is what I have to work on. This is why the parables of the Prodigal Son and Workers in the Vineyard have always kind of bothered me. Anyway, please don't call me names or be rude as I am just trying to develop a testimony of these things, so I don't get kind of bitter when we have lessons about work for the dead.