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Elder Bednar has written a book "Power to become" in which he quotes Brigham Young about being perfect in our sphere which is a good read. I think our sphere and the Jesus expected sphere are completely different though because he faced challenges that no mortal could bear. and in working out the atonement he gained knowledge wisdom and love that possibility he didn't have before and left him amazed. I think there must be a last stage in becoming perfect else we have to say that god is imperfect because he is sill progressing and growing as apposed to have glory added upon him forever and ever the glory of god is intelligence IE us in our most basic to advanced form. Reconciling D&C 19 is a wrong term because you are right it is out of context It is about suffering for our own transgression and sins and not for anothers.

I do not believe that asking any question is wrong if it comes from an earnest desire to know. If something is important for you to understand and serves a purpose in your own spiritual development then it is important to god .although he may not give you the answer he will lead you along the path that will eventually help you find it. My initial thoughts that let to me considering the question about the atonement stems through a desire to understand my own Identity and place within gods family i interpret the creation drama In which Moses in clothed in god's glory so that he can see all of god's creations in reference to this world as teaching a principle. That all things have a place and order, their relationship to God their duties and what they can become through following Jesus Christ. When a person understands who he is and what he is to do he can move forward a lot quicker and with greater determination. Alma teaches us to experiment with the word experiments require a hypothesis - a way of proving or disproving - the collection of data - results and a conclusion from this perspective we can better understand the nature of the question that lead to us considering the initial hypothesis and how it can impact of individual nature.

I probably need to explain in more depth Jesus glorified God by taking upon him the sins of the world and being the first fruits of the resurrection he was the first person to receive all that the father hath in it's fullness his is the father of our resurrected bodies and we are the children of Christ Mosiah:5 and Heaavenly father is the father of our spirits.Jesus is perfect and at one with the father in all things. So when we become like Heavenly father and begin to have spirit children of our own and create worlds and so forth who will perform an atonement for those children? or Is there just one atonement and are future children to receive bodies and not experience an earthly education? Or will we play a role in providing a future atonement so that these are provided the same experiences as us.

Okay, so Jesus was a god before coming to earth but he had to perform the atonement in order to be perfect. If we understand the difference between Matt 5:48 and 3 Nephi 12: 48 Is the last stage in becoming perfect performing a atonement if we are to become perfect? and if so how do we reconcile this D&C 19 16-17?

No because God will put you in the kingdom where you would be most happiest If i were living in sin I can tell you I wouldn't be happy living with all the super duper to gooders in heaven. on a side note Truman Madsen speaking on this subject spoke about being sealed o individuals who had not lived worthily enough to inherit the celestial kingdom and he used a quote by Joseph Smith that went along the lines of by virtue of the sealing power when God choose to send a message to someone in a lower kingdom whom will he choose to send. if you think about hat God is more likely to send someone of a higher kingdom to whom you are directly sealed to rather than some random individual

I believe there are a few things about the sacrament that are not taught enough in the relationship to the renewing of covenants and the sacrament itself. Firstly the renewing of covenants it is only the renewing of your baptismal covenant if that is the only covenant you have made to that point in time. If you have made further covenants IE: Priesthood, Temple and marriage covenants partaking of the sacrament is also renewing them. The second point I think that we need to consider more in partaking of the sacrament is what we put into our mouths has been blessed and sanctified it has been made holy. Hence the saying " give not hat which is holy unto the dogs" When we consider these two principles we are 1 thinking in terms of a broader view more that we are the isolated view of simply considering the baptismal covenant and 2 we are considering our own personal worthiness by taking into our mouths something that is Holy. in Isaiah 5 we read about a seraphim who took a coal from the altar and pressed it against the lips of Isaiah sanctifying him and bringing him into God presence. Pondering these two thoughts while partaking of the sacrament worthily I feel open up our minds more to receiving revelation