Btw, this particular post can be found on page 22 of that thread. I’ll also give you a short response, just in case this is enough to clarify my point. The organized church of Christ remains on Earth as long as there are people on Earth with the keys of the kingdom, because the keys of the kingdom give people the right to organize and officiate in the Church. You seem to be saying that the keys of the kingdom are NOT retained by people who are in apostasy, and I will now ask you to clarify how you can make such a claim. I say that the keys of the kingdom can only be taken away by Jesus or those people called by Him to organize and officiate in His church, and just as only He or those people can take them away, only He or those people can give them to other people. Or in other words, there is no mysterious or unseen event that occurs when the keys of the kingdom are given are taken away, as each event always consists of physical and actual appearances and events, with such appearances and events being documented for all the world to see. I completely agree with you, Ray. Whenever I think of the Keys to the Kingdom, I shake my head in wonderment that all the other churches in the world don't see or understand the importance of having the ones given by God Himself. I like to think of it as having the only set of keys, if you will, that can open the doors to heaven and all the others only have keys that don't fit the lock in THAT door. Know what I mean?